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Just got done finishing my friend's build and i'm seeing some things that are making me jealous.

Overall hardware:
- He's got a Antec One case with 2 fans, a 212+ on his i3570k, and a GTX 670 FTW.
- I have a Corsair 800D case with 7 fans, a Noctua D14 on my 3770k, and a GTX 680 SC.

Graphics cards:
- His 670 at 1150 core maxes out at about 76C.
- My 680 at 1202 core maxes out at about 84C.
- Both are using the same fan curve and using EVGA OC Scanner to put an unreasonable amount of load on the cards to test max temps.

Processors:
- His 3570k at 4.5GHz 1.3v is seeing a maximum temp of 78C, average of 72C on a 212+.
- My 3770k at 4.5GHz 1.22v is seeing a maximum temp of 92C, average of 84C on a Noctua D14.
- Both ran 12hrs of P95 in the same room with the same ambients. Any lower voltage on either results in failing. Exact same thermal paste application, and i've reseated the 3770k enough to know that's not the problem. My processor shoots out ~18 tests per 15 minutes in P95, his shoots out ~29 tests per 15 minutes. Is it normal for P95 to run slower with HT enabled?

I'm debating switching to a mid tower case, his computer is so much more portable, quieter, and colder than mine and his gaming performance is pretty much identical. Is the 800D really this bad for air cooling?
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800D Isn't bad at all. It may be your fan config but really, I have a 670 and 680 with the same coolers and the same tim, the 680 runs alot hotter. Also the 3770K runs hot too, mine under water at 4.6GHz and 1.375V hits 95C underload, even with a full loop.

For normal users, I'd recommend smaller cases.
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You can always Mod the side panel for fans and Zip tie some on the inside..

If you want better cooling get a Haf series or a Cosmos 2.
    
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800D Isn't bad at all. It may be your fan config but really, I have a 670 and 680 with the same coolers and the same tim, the 680 runs alot hotter. Also the 3770K runs hot too, mine under water at 4.6GHz and 1.375V hits 95C underload, even with a full loop.
For normal users, I'd recommend smaller cases.

I had a triple fan radiator loop hooked up to my 3770k initially, and at 1.22v it was still hitting ~90C max with ~80C average. I then hooked it up to a Noctua D14 and got the exact same temps, so I sold my water cooling. I was able to stabilize 4.6GHz on my 3770k at 1.25v, which is a LOT lower than most 3770ks.. however my temps still were still worse than people at higher voltages.

I don't know whats up with my 3770k. I thought this was normal but the 3570k seems much more appealing to me right now.
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If you are still using the stock fans, thats probably the biggest issue. The 800D stock fans are crap. They don't move enough air to keep things cool.
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I had a triple fan radiator loop hooked up to my 3770k initially, and at 1.22v it was still hitting ~90C max with ~80C average. I then hooked it up to a Noctua D14 and got the exact same temps, so I sold my water cooling.
I don't know whats up with my 3770k. I thought this was normal but the 3570k seems much more appealing to me right now.

seems really hot eek.gif

My 3570k is clocked at 4.4 and under load it hangs around the mid to upper 60c's - thats with stock phanteks heat sink.
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I had a triple fan radiator loop hooked up to my 3770k initially, and at 1.22v it was still hitting ~90C max with ~80C average. I then hooked it up to a Noctua D14 and got the exact same temps, so I sold my water cooling. I was able to stabilize 4.6GHz on my 3770k at 1.25v, which is a LOT lower than most 3770ks.. however my temps still were still worse than people at higher voltages.
I don't know whats up with my 3770k. I thought this was normal but the 3570k seems much more appealing to me right now.

My 3770k at 1.2v would be high 60s low 70s when i had an NH-D14 in the Cosmos 2



Now after afew months ive been able to perfect the Cases Airflow with the fans i have and it now looks like this.

    
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Anyone know if it's normal for the 3570k to being going through P95 tests nearly 2x faster than my 3770k at the same clock? I'm not sure why HT would make P95 calculate slower.
Quote:
Originally Posted by frozne View Post

If you are still using the stock fans, thats probably the biggest issue. The 800D stock fans are crap. They don't move enough air to keep things cool.

I replaced them.
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Originally Posted by .theMetal View Post

seems really hot eek.gif
My 3570k is clocked at 4.4 and under load it hangs around the mid to upper 60c's - thats with stock phanteks heat sink.

My game load doesn't exceed 70C. Generally lower 60s. It only gets really hot when I throw something like 8k FFTs through it, or LinX so I haven't been to worried.
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My 3770k at 1.2v would be high 60s low 70s when i had an NH-D14 in the Cosmos 2.

How fast does 1.2v allow you to go? My processor can get 4.5GHz with 1.2v, and most people i've compared with claim they can only get about 4.2-4.3 with 1.2v.

It seems like my processor needs less voltage to get a higher overclock, but at the same time runs a lot hotter with less voltage than the average 3770k. High end water or air doesn't matter on it, it's always the same temps. It seems like something under the IHS is limiting my temps (probably bad TIM) but i'm not willing to void my warranty..
Edited by Murlocke - 8/23/12 at 4:05pm
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Anyone know if it's normal for the 3570k to being going through P95 tests nearly 2x faster than my 3770k at the same clock? I'm not sure why HT would make P95 calculate slower.
I replaced them.
My game load doesn't exceed 70C. Generally lower 60s. It only gets really hot when I throw something like 8k FFTs through it, or LinX so I haven't been to worried.
How fast does 1.2v allow you to go? My processor can get 4.5GHz with 1.2v, and most people i've compared with claim they can only get about 4.2-4.3 with 1.2v.
It seems like my processor needs less voltage to get a higher overclock, but at the same time runs a lot hotter with less voltage than the average 3770k. High end water or air doesn't matter on it, it's always the same temps. It seems like something under the IHS is limiting my temps (probably bad TIM) but i'm not willing to void my warranty..

well it is really 1.9v but 4.5ghz with that 1.23 for 4.6 1.26 for 4.7 1.35.5 for 5ghz

Ive been running it at 4.7ghz for a week now.. Just did not see any use for 5ghz. Also have not felt like seeing what i need for 4.8ghz lol

I also ran at 1.29.5v for 4.9ghz for awhile..

Im also not one of those 24hr Prime 95 guys i only run it afew hours and im happy.
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Anyone know if it's normal for the 3570k to being going through P95 tests nearly 2x faster than my 3770k at the same clock? I'm not sure why HT would make P95 calculate slower.
I replaced them.
My game load doesn't exceed 70C. Generally lower 60s. It only gets really hot when I throw something like 8k FFTs through it, or LinX so I haven't been to worried.
How fast does 1.2v allow you to go? My processor can get 4.5GHz with 1.2v, and most people i've compared with claim they can only get about 4.2-4.3 with 1.2v.
It seems like my processor needs less voltage to get a higher overclock, but at the same time runs a lot hotter with less voltage than the average 3770k. High end water or air doesn't matter on it, it's always the same temps. It seems like something under the IHS is limiting my temps (probably bad TIM) but i'm not willing to void my warranty..

Hmm maybe so on the tim issue... Maybe worth the risk on the tim and using the cool Laboratory to replace it.
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800D Isn't bad at all. It may be your fan config but really, I have a 670 and 680 with the same coolers and the same tim, the 680 runs alot hotter. Also the 3770K runs hot too, mine under water at 4.6GHz and 1.375V hits 95C underload, even with a full loop.
For normal users, I'd recommend smaller cases.

you run your 3770k at 4.6 with 1.375? because of bad chip? didnt read, sorry, you said temps. i'm folding 24/7 and hit 53-62*C when ac in room on, about 5* hotter when ambient only. currently at 1.26V, bumped it up a bit for stability. have everything in 650D, pretty clean.
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