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Originally Posted by Boinz View Post

by quantum leap, they mean 3 generations ahead of current consoles, meaning still behind PC.

Not 'attacking' you, but why does the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race need to rear it's head in every thread concerning consoles? Let us simpletons have our fun. Though, I guess there are just many things in this world that people will never be able to find common grounds with.
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Damn it. As a physics student I really wish people would stop using the word "quantum" out of context. It doesn't mean BIG, it means DISCRETE.
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Not 'attacking' you, but why does the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race need to rear it's head in every thread concerning consoles? Let us simpletons have our fun. Though, I guess there are just many things in this world that people will never be able to find common grounds with.

I think a lot of the "Glorious PC Gaming Master Race" never experienced console gaming in it's golden age, the NES, the SNES and MegaDrive (Genesis for you Yanks wink.gif ) the Saturn, PS1 in some aspects, N64 and Dreamcast. You can't find Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, the old Sonics, Mario 64, Shenmue or Super Metroid on PC, as you couldn't play Monkey Island, X-Wing VS TIE Fighter or the true version of Deus Ex on consoles, a true gamer try to own and appreciate both.
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Not 'attacking' you, but why does the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race need to rear it's head in every thread concerning consoles? Let us simpletons have our fun. Though, I guess there are just many things in this world that people will never be able to find common grounds with.

1. I was being sarcastic, a parody of the stereotype of the master PC race.

2. Addressing the elephant in the room. Its not personal to console players, but developers and the console makers themselves, that make games for consoles first, then PC. If anything, you "guys" do have your fun with developers giving higher priority.

3. Developers/publishers tend to exaggerate and overhype their products to sell more, so you'll excuse me if I'm skeptical until we actually see ingame gameplay.

4. Thank you for being civil.

5. Actually, I'm rooting for the next gen consoles to come out soon, as we are at their whim that we may get better ports or not.
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Upon release the gfx will probably rival that of high-ultra graphics on a PC(like every gen).

perhaps detail levels, as usual the consoles will be light years behind in resolution. The fastest hardware out at the moment is overkill for 1080, in my opinion of course. smile.gif
Not to mention a lot of those games run at 30fps, a number most of us here at ocn would not consider smooth gameplay.
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Quantum leap? Translation, consoles are trash. Good way to spin it.
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People can whine and moan on OCN about consoles, but fact is they fulfill a pretty interesting niche. They introduce people to developers, video games in general, and serve to push profits on the companies we know and love.
I expect to only get the next XBox, but I remain pretty excited for everything. I'm incredibly fascinated by the amount of optimization companies can do with the given hardware.

Profits at the cost of integrity and innovation you mean, to the companies we used to love because they used to be good. We get people like Jay Wilson riding on the success of Diablo 1+2 and look at game like ME3 or DA2. Gaming company has to choose whether to please gamers or stockholders, guess which one they pick.

Nickel and Dime you to death with DLC, DRM to stop people from pirating that doesn't work, generic copypasta games.
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Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post

And we'll be lightyears ahead of them in 2 cycles (years at this point depending on how fast AMD and nvidia release GPUs) I expect we start seeing 8xxx HD series GPUs from AMD within the next 5 months. From what I can see they are going to be using Northern Islands GPUs... Southern Islands if they are really lucky. By the time these things hit the market we should be on HD 9xxx or HD 10xxx (or another numbering system)
Um? I have a hatred for Sony and Microsoft while they aren't apple aren't on my christmas card list either.

Why does that matter... There was only a handful of games this generation that took advantage of PC hardware and most of the franchises are on consoles as well.

It took two years after the initial console launch for us to see what the switch to unified shader architecture could do.

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Originally Posted by Telimektar View Post

Consoles almost alwayd did match PC graphics on launch (or even surpassed) even if their specs are vastly inferior on paper. It'll probably be the same unless MS and Sony decide to use very outdated hardware this time around to save costs.

Consoles exceeded PCs in the 90s. Consoles were the first to have dedicated 3D hardware.

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by quantum leap, they mean 3 generations ahead of current consoles, meaning still behind PC.

Define "3 generations". Based on floating point ops, the 360 is 100x faster than the original Xbox. Though floating point ops are unrealistic, it gives you an idea of the "quantum leap" made on hardware that wasn't nearly as fast or as efficient as the hardware we have today.

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I would personally be surprised if these new consoles came close to a high end PC in terms of resolution (1080p+), fps (60+), and graphical fidelity (high res textures, AA, and AF).
I mean back when xbox 360 was released it did come close to higher end PC's because it actually had close to high end PC hardware at the time it was released. However, this is NOT going to be the case for these "next gen" consoles so I would not count them being as close to PC's as xbox 360 was when it was launched.

We don't know how fast consoles will be, so its best to wait for REAL evidence before making any conclusions. Consoles don't have to match PC hardware tit for tat to have games that look similar.
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I think a lot of the "Glorious PC Gaming Master Race" never experienced console gaming in it's golden age, the NES, the SNES and MegaDrive (Genesis for you Yanks wink.gif ) the Saturn, PS1 in some aspects, N64 and Dreamcast. You can't find Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, the old Sonics, Mario 64, Shenmue or Super Metroid on PC, as you couldn't play Monkey Island, X-Wing VS TIE Fighter or the true version of Deus Ex on consoles, a true gamer try to own and appreciate both.
For one thing, most of those systems followed the philosophy of being an "arcade machine at home" rather than a "watered down PC in a box".

More info on this can be found in various blog-posts on http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com
 
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Quantum leap? Translation, consoles are trash. Good way to spin it.
Profits at the cost of integrity and innovation you mean, to the companies we used to love because they used to be good. We get people like Jay Wilson riding on the success of Diablo 1+2 and look at game like ME3 or DA2. Gaming company has to choose whether to please gamers or stockholders, guess which one they pick.
Nickel and Dime you to death with DLC, DRM to stop people from pirating that doesn't work, generic copypasta games.

Nailed it. wink.gif
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We don't know how fast consoles will be, so its best to wait for REAL evidence before making any conclusions. Consoles don't have to match PC hardware tit for tat to have games that look similar.

That is correct.

But like I said, back when the 360 came out it was close to PC graphics while having close to PC hardware. And that is not going to be the case for the "next gen" consoles.

I don't know how they would magically be able to optimize the code tons more on the "next gen" than they can with the xbox 360.....
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