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by quantum leap, they mean 3 generations ahead of current consoles, meaning still behind PC.

Behind in performance, ahead in ease-of-use (no worrying about hardware reqs, no driver issues, etc...), reliability (fewer bugs, almost never crashes or freezes), and usually cheaper as well. So excluding the group of people the prioritize performance, that leaves a much larger group of people that prefer consoles.


Rant aimed at the elitists on this site (not particularly the person I quoted above):

A fun game is fun, regardless of platform, regardless of graphics. There's nothing wrong with owning only a console, only a PC, or both, and nobody deserves ridicule for owning any kind of gaming machine. The fact is that they like games, and what they choose to play them on is their choice. The "glorious PC master race" argument is extremely immature and childish, reminds me of the insecure bullies in school that tried to make themselves feel important by showing physical superiority, but nobody really cared. While the PC elitists are busy crawling up on their pedestal so they can lecture about their superior hardware, everyone else is busy having fun and playing games. Why are they 'elitists'? Because it's like a country club where only the best hardware gets in so all of the pretentious rich guys can pat each other on the back and compliment each other on their epeens, while the rest of the world goes about its business and couldn't care less. I'm all for people wanting to get the best possible performance for a game, or the highest graphical settings; They should do whatever makes them happy, and it's their money to do what they want with. What isn't cool is when they feel superior because they put $1500 into their gaming rig instead of $300 like a console gamer. Other people have different preferences and priorities, not everyone is like us here on OCN and dump large swaths of money into a gaming rig that is usually outdated in 3-4 years, some people don't have that kind of money to throw around, or have other things they would prefer to buy instead, like putting that kind of money toward a car.
You clearly don't understand PC gaming...
A 300 dollar device that runs games barely at 720p where as PCs surpass that resolution by a significant margin and destroys it! Mind you, the ps3 at launch was sold for 899 dollars here which is already more expensive than what I built my PC for.

Also,who says you need to spend 1500 dollars each time you upgrade? I build my current PC for 750 bucks, and lets just say that things aren't exactly cheap compared to what you get in the states and I also paid a little extra for mine because I wanted to OC it and get more out of it. You know you don't have to rebuy every new gear for PC; you can reuse the case, PSU,monitor,mouse keyboard for your new build and that's the beauty about building PCs.

You can customize it so that you can keep the cost down. A Cheaper PC will beat a console no question about it.Besides you shouldn't compared to a PC at all. It's like comparing a bicycle to a motorbike.

Why are you talking about graphics? My response began with "A fun game is fun, regardless of platform, regardless of graphics."

You don't have to spend 1500 dollars every 4 years. Each enthusiast will spend at a different level. I have a fairly mediocre rig compared to many on this site and that's about what I have to spend every 4 years to stay where I'm at (I reused my case, mouse, keyboard, and PSU), but I don't wait 4 years to upgrade to the cheapest stuff you can buy, otherwise I would have to upgrade every 18 months or so, and I don't enjoy PC gaming so I can live with the bare minimum of PC graphics at the time, again, to each their own. I'm currently about 2 years into my current rig, most of it will last me another 2 years, I just bought a new GPU that should last me 4 years, and I may get a 256GB SSD sometime in the next 12 months.

Your "$900 PS3" is inaccurate (unless we're talking about international prices), on launch you could get it for $600, which was a price that didn't last even a year, and even at that price you couldn't get a PC with the same performance for $600 at the time. And honestly, find me somebody who has been gaming on the same exact rig for 7 years that cost them $600 when they bought it and they've never upgraded it. Most of the console gamers that are living within budgets didn't buy the PS3 until it hit the $300-400 range anyhow. On top of that, the PS3 was overpriced and everybody knew it, the 360 came out a year sooner and was much cheaper, you could get one for $300 at the time the PS3 came out.

I'm fairly certain after 25 years of building and owning PCs, owning 13 PCs and 4 laptops during that time, that I understand PC gaming quite well. I've been playing PC games since before they had graphics or graphics cards.
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The day that consoles can be considered equals of PCs is the day they become PCs. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that a console would satisfy an average joe. It is also absurd to expect that advanced gamers (such as OCN's fine user base) would ever consider abandoning the freedom of a PC. There's nothing elitist about knowing all the strengths and limitations of each platform.

You're absolutely right. What's elitist is when somebody says something like "glorious PC master race", or somehow think PCs are "better" just because their hardware is superior. Better hardware does not necessarily equate to a better game or a better experience. Some people prefer the simplicity of popping in a disc, not caring about hardware, and sitting on a couch with a controller, and no amount of hardware difference will make a difference in that. Others prefer an extremely customized experience at a desk with a keyboard and mouse with all the graphics settings maxed out. Nothing wrong with either of those perspectives, just wrong to assume one is better than another (because it's opinion). Personally, I enjoy just about every gaming platform, including consoles and high-end PCs.
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Consoles are just low cost, OEM PCs that come with limited functionality that cater to people who are either too young, too uneducated, or too lazy to pick up a screw driver and make something better. Almost any DIY computer set from tiger direct, coupled with a cheap graphics card like a 7770 will out perform a console of this gen or next doing what it does best and offering more functionality. Sadly, it will probably also be cheaper.

ot: I sat here for like a min or two looking at my use of "too". Idk why it just didn't look right to me..
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5entinel, the Ps3 was WAAY overpriced at launch the 360 launched at 399 not the usa price of 599 for the PS3 thumb.gif

Well I was more interested in the ps3 than the xbox360.

Still you shouldn't be comparing a console to a PC. Also incase you haven't noticed that a lot of the features and business model that are on the PC is being adapted on the console. So you are basically paying 399 for an OEM product that is locked,stuff that's out-dated, you can't tweak it, you can't open it, you can't install mods on it. Everything is locked at 30fps(some games even go at 15-20fps), games that barely manage to reach 720p. I don't know about you but I can't own a system with so much restriction.
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Your "$900 PS3" is inaccurate (unless we're talking about international prices), on launch you could get it for $600, which was a price that didn't last .


hes in Australia bud. im sure it was $900
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5entinel, the Ps3 was WAAY overpriced at launch the 360 launched at 399 not the usa price of 599 for the PS3 thumb.gif

Well I was more interested in the ps3 than the xbox360.

Still you shouldn't be comparing a console to a PC. Also incase you haven't noticed that a lot of the features and business model that are on the PC is being adapted on the console. So you are basically paying 399 for an OEM product that is locked,stuff that's out-dated, you can't tweak it, you can't open it, you can't install mods on it. Everything is locked at 30fps(some games even go at 15-20fps), games that barely manage to reach 720p. I don't know about you but I can't own a system with so much restriction.

That restriction is what makes it so desirable to most people, it means you don't have to worry about things. There's no wondering what settings to use, what hardware you have, what OS you have, what drivers you need, etc. How many people buy a car that they never have to alter or fix on their own? Now how many people buy a car and tweak and mod it and repair it themselves? What are the percentages there, 95/5, maybe 90/10. Now apply that to gaming devices. How many people want gaming devices that they can tweak? Not many. That doesn't make them stupid, lazy, or ignorant as some on OCN would believe (not pointing a finger at you specifically).

Why do you think Apple's app-store makes 3 times as much as all Android app sales combined, when they have 40% fewer devices out there than Android? Consistency (lack of market fragmentation due to many OS and hardware combinations), and a huge amount of people that don't care if their resolution is high, or screen is larger, or that they have more RAM. They just want it to work and don't want to think about it. Just like most gamers, they just want to play games and they don't care about the details.
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Your "$900 PS3" is inaccurate (unless we're talking about international prices), on launch you could get it for $600, which was a price that didn't last .


hes in Australia bud. im sure it was $900

I had no way to know, his location says he's aboard the USS Enterprise right now, specifically the one from Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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People can whine and moan on OCN about consoles, but fact is they fulfill a pretty interesting niche. They introduce people to developers, video games in general, and serve to push profits on the companies we know and love.
I expect to only get the next XBox, but I remain pretty excited for everything. I'm incredibly fascinated by the amount of optimization companies can do with the given hardware.

I agree, although i would say it is more than just a niche market, especially since most gamers are console gamers, despite PC gaming making a slow but steady climb in popularity within the last 10 years.
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My my, look at all the defensiveness.

I like consoles. They're cheap, I can play comfortably on my couch with a controller, the graphics look good enough, and I certainly can't play Uncharted, The Last of Us, or Metal Gear Solid on a PC. What can I say? I like video games.
 
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Ha ha. Never buying a console again. Xbox 360 controller works for computer, so that argument is thrown out the window. And I'll just spend the money I would have spent on the xbox, on a new $500-600 graphics card. WOOT!

Plus I like to aim for myself and I'm 20x more agile on pc games than on the xbox 360 equivalent.

But at least they are finally making a new console. This would at least indicate that developers will be able to draw more system resources, making more advance and immersive games.

That my pc from 2008 could play. lol
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I like consoles. They're cheap, I can play comfortably on my couch with a controlle

you cant with pc?
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I like consoles. They're cheap, I can play comfortably on my couch with a controlle

you cant with pc?

You can, but a lot of people don't want a PC tower in their living room (although you could make a small gaming PC), and you often still need a mouse and keyboard somewhere nearby to get into your game before you can use the controller.
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i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
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256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
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27" Apple thunderbolt display 
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