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To Electrocutor:
Ok because I was looking at the heatkiller nickel blocks because of the black color going with the black and white sleek colour scheme, are their CPU and GPU blocks up to par?

I have a HEATKILLER® GPU-X³ GTX 680 "Hole Edition" Ni-Bl on my GPU and it idles at about 24*C and gets up to 34*C under full load after a few hours. Can't say anything about their CPU block because I used a raystorm, but pretty impressed with the GPU block. It also doesn't hurt that it looks great, even though I can't really see it now that its in

As for the Bgears blasters, I have the 120mm versions on my 480mm rad and I don't notice them at all unless they are at full blast, even then they are still fairly quiet to me but noise is really subjective and up to the individual. They are hooked up to my fan controller and I am pretty happy with the noise/performance at all levels.
Edited by Clockwerk - 8/28/12 at 8:06am
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post #32 of 115
OP's #8 question is interesting here. I was thinking about the same thing and Googled and it brought me to this post.

Now with a Corsair h100, would one half of one side pushing and the other side pulling, would that improve temps as a compromise?
 
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Regarding fitting a 420 (as in 3x140) radiato.
The Switch 810 has 3 120/140 fan mounts up top, so you would simply be taking advantage of the larger overall size of the 140mm size. Now, just be aware that the mounting holes for the 140 fans don't line up with the common fan spacing used for rads. This is not a problem it just means that you have to drill 8 very small screw holes/fan mounts with the proper spacing, and I absolutely understand that this sounds daunting but it is honestly extremely simple. You just need a ruler and a drill. Measure from the fromt-most fan (the one closest to the front of the case), and base your spacing adjustments off its location.

The reason I am so "for this" is because a 3x140 rad has MORE surface area than a 4x120 rad! I would suggest that you get something a bit thinner than 60mm,and in my opinion the absolute best choices are the Alphacool NEXXOS XT45 or the XSPC EX420. Both will fit in push pull and are incredibly strong performers at an excellent price.

You can always make your own heatsink for the pumps, such as cutting and old CPU HSF to shape and using a thermal pad.
   
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To Electrocutor:
Ok I will search around for if anyone has had problems with the waterblocks. Ok about the bgears 140mm fan do you know if it was faulty or not? So just coolant and distilled water or dye and distilled water.

To Clockwerk:
Are those delta temperatures? Not actual temperatures?

To Gunderman456:
Yes it does improve temperatures because one set of fans is pushing it halfway through the radiator while the other set of fans is pulling the air the other half way. You could have found that in someone's post in the thread but there you go.

To nleksan:
Yeh it does sound daunting, why a thinner radiator then 60mm? The nzxt can do the radiator and a set of fans then in the top compartment it can have another set of fans, can't it? I seriously don't think I will make the pumps a heatsink.

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For the SSD I think I will get the intel 520 series 240gb instead of the Samsung 830 series 256gb because the intel one is faster speeds and it has a warranty that lasts 5 years instead of 3 on the Samsung for only a $40 increase.

EDIT:
I found where I can get the mcp35x2 heatsink for $29 + $15 postage.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Swiftech-MCP35X2-HS-MCP35X2-Heat-Sink-/251137982318?pt=US_Water_Cooling&hash=item3a78fd7f6e#ht_1385wt_689
Does anyone know if this is a trustworthy seller? He has good ratings.
Edited by Dehatitated - 8/29/12 at 12:16am
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I can't speak to the reliability of the seller, but the price is the MSRP of the item so while shipping may be expensive, you are not getting screwed over in terms of item price.


Also, the reason I so highly recommend a thinner rad is actually a combination of a few reasons...
1) A 60mm thick rad will require significant modification to fit with push and pull fans due to the fact that it will, in my experience, make the 8pin/4pin CPU power connectors almost impossible to work with, and will also make the fittings for the rad incredibly difficult to fit. You will also need to cut out the panel between the top ODD bay and the 3 lower bays or your front-most fan will be blocked. Also, according to Martin (arguably the most respected person in all of water cooling due to his incredible testing methods and impeccable research and procedures, giving the absolutely most accurate data available), thick rads only offer a 10-15 percent advantage in performance over rads half as thick, and he stopped testing before he had a chance to test the EX420 (or any EX rad), which was designed specifically for the purpose of providing the performance of a 60mm thick rad in a 36.5mm thick format. The 19 split fins per inch are the best example of how they did this.
2) Push-Pull is good for a 10-20 percent performance increase, which should thus offset any potential loss resulting from the thinner radiator. I would take an EX with push pull fans over an RX with pull fans every time.
3) A 420 rad is slightly larger than a 480 in terms of actual surface area and 140mm fans have a higher blade size to hub size ratio than do 120mm fans meaning more of the rad is likely to be directly hit by the incoming air.
4) The XT45 is within literally just a few watts (as in total watts dissipated) of the UT60, using only pull fans, but push pull would put it ahead of a pull fan only UT60. The difference between having a rad that dissipates 475W for 10C DeltaT and one that dissipates 468W for the same delta is not noticeable at all.

Also, the thick rads are not necessary for good performance. A few years ago they absolutely were superior in every way possible, but advances in design and manufacture have made that difference so small as to be irrelevant. I have an EX420 for the top of my Switch and I actually could have used just the one rad and gotten excellent temps for my 3930K and EVGA GTX670 FTW, both overclocked, but I figured that I'll be adding a second card and eventually a third so I'd rather add the second rad now than have to do it later, so I went with a UT60 240 in the bottom, and both rads use push pull fans. This is enough heat dissipation (with Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm push pull up top and Koolance 120x25mm 2800rpm 107cfm/5.4mmHg push pull for the bottom) to easily keep a 5C delta.
I say save yourself the headaches and get the thinner rad for the top, and shove the thickest rad you want. I guarantee you that it will perform incredibly well and you won't regret it.
   
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Ok about the bgears 140mm fan do you know if it was faulty or not?
I don't think so, but maybe. They make the same kind of scraping/rattling sound as those ball-bearing Northbridge fans used to make. If you want quiet in 140mm, nothing comes even close to the Cougar CF-V14HB, but you'd have to deal with the non-square frame (if that bothers you). I ended up using the GT AP-15 with 120-140 adapter after testing everything: I would have prefered the Cougar 140mm, but couldn't find a way to air-seal them. The bGears is higher flow and noise than either of those, though: if you wanted to get into higher/noiser CFM, I would go for the NZXT Enthusiast, but you can't use them with a fan controller (they screw up if undervolted): your options are low, med, high; on med, it moves more air and is quieter than the bGears; but on low is much louder than the Cougar/AP-15.
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So just coolant and distilled water or dye and distilled water.
It's not that simple. Whether you mix distilled with coolant depends on the coolant. Some coolants are a problem be default, they are just not well made. If you have just distilled with dye, you need a biocide, which can mess up the dye; and some dyes are a problem right out of the box. You'll just have to decide what you want to go for and then do a lot research on what it should and shouldn't be used with and what problems people have had with it in the past.
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To Clockwerk:
Are those delta temperatures? Not actual temperatures?

Nope. Actual temps, not delta. Water feeds right out of my 480mm rad into that gpu so it is nice and cool. CPU pays a bit of a price though, but will be adding a rad between the two eventually (I know people say it doesnt matter, but I have the space so why not?). Ill post a few screenshots when I get home from work today if you want.
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Personally I don't find the Bgears loud at all. Also, if you have the rad mounted horizontal, you CANNOT use Cougar fans to blow upward. I have used the NZXT FX140LB (enthusiast) and I feel like the airflow is equivalent in open air, but the Bgears push almost twice as much through rads. The NZXT make for awesome case fans as they have great airflow and enough pressure to get through drive bays and filters, but the Bgears do better on rads. Also, the NZXT will be louder on high than the Bgears at full, and it takes 2000rpm for the former to push 2.2mmHg while the Bgears push 3.5mmHg at 1800rpm.
   
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post #39 of 115
I'd say both of those pressure estimates are much too high. Puting the bGears back-to-back against an AP-15 with 120-140 adapter, the AP-15 pulls air backward through the bGears when both are on full blast.
post #40 of 115
Well, I tried with them facing together and the air was being pushed through the AP15 so perhaps the Bgears is better for push while the GT is better for pull? Idk, but I do know that I have seen them produce 2-4C better water temps on the same loop, in push only, and the AP15s had the advantage of a shroud effect. The radiator was a UT60 420.
   
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LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
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Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
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i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
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55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
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Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
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