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When you said that is why I got it, you are talking about the heatkiller, right? I think by the picture yours is a heatkiller rev 3.0 standard block.

Thank you for that Jonnyguru link I had never heard of him before and I read the review of the corsair ax750, Nzxt hale82 750w and the seasonic platinum 1000w (because I was looking at the 860w version but he didn't review it). They were very helpful as he did a lot more in depth information then other reviews I have seen. Basically he was saying that the seasonic platinum is one of the best PSUs, the nzxt hale had ripple issues and the corsair was great.
post #82 of 115
Haha yeah, that's the heatkiller. I can't say how it compares to other blocks in terms of performance since it's my first watercooling setup, but I can say with certainty that it does in fact cool my CPU.
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post #83 of 115
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Yeh the heatkiller blocks look so cool. I will have to weigh up the pros and cons of the apogee over the heatkiller.
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If you don't mind waiting a bit (Couple weeks maybe?) Stren has a sweet new CPU block roundup in the works.
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Bummer on the HALE90 not being available, as if you look at his review, you will see why I love it so much.

For the CPU block, I would recommend either the Apogee HD or Raystorm. Both are phenomenal blocks, and both will last you a very long time.

For GPU Blocks, I am very partial to Heatkiller as they are absolutely beautiful. I have the 680 "Hole Edition" Full Coverage block + Backplate and it's truly a work of art.

For cable extensions, depending on how good you are at cable management, you can easily get by with a 24pin, 8/4pin CPU power, PCI-E power (8 or 6pin,likely 2,depending on card), and maybe a few fan splitter cables (they have very nice 1x3pin to 3x, 6x, and 9x 3pin available). Of course, they also have every other cable imaginable including MOLEX/SATA power and SATA data, front panel header cables, and much more. If you are going for a color theme, you can do all cables oneclor, or do primary cables one color and sesecondary another, or even have one PCI-E one color and the other a different one. I would suggest going with a primary color that is most prevalent in your build (except black in a black case, looks super boring IMO) and the second color can either be a discrete color so that they are "hidden" or they can be the second most prevalent color in your build. Well matched cables really pull a build together IMO.
   
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post #86 of 115
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Who is stren? Um I guess I could wait but if my pay comes I won't wait, because it's been nearly a year of no computer. So I am trying to make haste so as soon as I get the money the parts get ordered.

To nleksan:
I was looking at the Apogee Drive II which is one of their newer apparently better blocks. I was thinking of getting white cables if I got the black case and the other way around if I got the white case. But I could try a mix of black and white. Or possibly think about a splash of colour. For normal case fans I am going to get the cougars or Alpenfohn fans. I think I will need some fan splitters. Does the Lamptron have a long chain of 3pin ports, or is it just 8x 3 pin ports? Hmm how am I going to hide the normal not so cool looking cables coming out of the PSU.

For my PSU would you say 750w is enough? But if I were to get a second GPU would I need around 850w?
Edited by Dehatitated - 9/5/12 at 2:20am
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I think that the Apogee Drive II is a good idea, although it is essentially an Apogee HD with an MCP35X mounted to it and without the 2 extra ports. If you already have an MCP35X, I don't see the need for the AD2.

I like the idea of white and black (my whole build is white and black), but if I would have sleeved the entire PSU myself I may have added a splash of color. The best way to determine a second color is by looking at what the most common color on your MB is, IMO. Since you are using the Sabertooth, that leaves you prettywde open. I think white would look good regardless of case color since you will have so much black elsewhere, but I don't know what would be good for a second color other than black. That's where the uniqueness of a self built computer comes in.
I don't have a Lamptron (Bitfenix Hydra Pro was what I got, and it's a completely perfect match for the case), but I imagine that it is likely just one 3pin cable per channel. You can use Bitfenix Alchemy 1x3pin to 3x 3pin splitters to keep rad fans together on one channel, which is what I did for my top radiator (3 push on one, 3 pull on another) and Phobya makes 1-to-4 splitters, which I am using to keep all 4 of my bottom rad fans on a single channel, although with 8 channels on your controller you can just use two Y-splitters and have the bottom rad fans separate like the top.
For case fans, I would say go with the strongest fan whose noise level is acceptable to you, as you want to ensure that the case airflow is more than adequate for both feeding rads as well as cooling the VRMs/MOSFETs on the MB, the RAM, HDDs, etc. 140mm fans will be ideal for this as they generally move more air at a given speed than a 120mm fan can. Static pressure is still important, but not as much as with rads; you need to have large volumes of air flowing through the case. Intake fans that have to push through drive cages and filters benefit most from static pressure, but it doesn't need to be much above 1mmHg for good cooling. I would suggest doing the math to figure out what your exhaust fans (including those on rads pushing out) total in terms of CFM and then making sure that you can push around 20 percent more air into the case with intake fans, thus maintaining positive pressure. I typically look for at least 70-75cfm for case fans, but the more air pushed at full speed, the more you can turn them down without hurting case flow.
I am waiting for the 140mm Bitfenix Spectre Pro PWM fans, and will replace my case fans with those, but other good ones would be the Cougar 140mm, NZXT FX140LB and FZ140LB, Bitfenix Spectre Pro, Scythe 140mm fans, and so forth.

For the PSU, I would get an 850W unit (and I did), as it will be plenty for dual GPUs even overclocked, and in the meantime you will be keeping the PSU loaded right in its efficiency sweet spot. That means less heat, and less wear on the unit. I don't see any need for anything higher, but I would worry that 750W may just not quite be able to handle 2 GPUs + 3930K + water cooling... It would depend on the unit, but I think that the extra 100W of the 850 is a good amount of headroom. JohnnyGuru has the absolute best PSU reviews I have ever seen, although TechPowerUp does a good job as well. Trust them, and don't buy one until you know everything about the unit, as buying by brand can result in a terrible unit from a usually respected company. For example, the incredible HALE90 850W from NZXT vs the mediocre HALE82 from the same company. The internals are what matters, and the stickers on the outside are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine wink.gif
   
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LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
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Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
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R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
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LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
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55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
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Wow thank you for the lengthy reply, I will have to think about the apogee II for ease of install and saving money or heatkiller for aesthetics and better pump. For the cables I might splash out on colour but I still want it to be mostly white and black, so the colour will be highlighted and that colour won't just melt into one bright colour. With the sabertooth I don't have those limitations like I have seen on mainly blue boards and ROG boards for lots of red. I was thinking white, black and hmm, yellow Akasa vipers maybe. Yellow might look good I could go vipers with mayhems pastel yellow. Or the white and black with this deep red purple.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=popup_image_scroll&products_id=34084&image_scroll_id=0
Or a pastel white that goes light blue under UV lights might be good.

Thank you for telling me about the PSU size as SLI might be an upgrade later on, and if I have to get another PSU if I got SLI that would be a pain. The seasonic platinum 860W for $279 or Corsair AX 850W for $243. I think the seasonic looks like the way to go. Also Jonnyguru praised the seasonic platinum 1000W which is in the same series so hopefully a similar result.
Edited by Dehatitated - 9/6/12 at 12:47am
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I know that I have gotten a lot from this thread, and that this thread is probably dead by now, but I have one more question that I recently thought about. Is it worth getting the Alphacool NeXXXos monster (80mm thick) instead of the Alphacool NeXXXos UT60 (60mm thick). With 7mm shroud and 3mm filter on both sides it would take up around 150mm (with 25mm thick fans in push pull) out of the 170mm ish space. So I would not have enough space for 38mm fans so not the Koolance fans, probably the Akasa viper fans at 25mm would be good.
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I know that I have gotten a lot from this thread, and that this thread is probably dead by now, but I have one more question that I recently thought about. Is it worth getting the Alphacool NeXXXos monster (80mm thick) instead of the Alphacool NeXXXos UT60 (60mm thick). With 7mm shroud and 3mm filter on both sides it would take up around 150mm (with 25mm thick fans in push pull) out of the 170mm ish space. So I would not have enough space for 38mm fans so not the Koolance fans, probably the Akasa viper fans at 25mm would be good.

Whether you do is up to you, but I don't see a reason to go to 80mm thick. The 60mm thick provides a decent bit more than the 45, but not astronomically so; from 60 to 80 at 10 FPI you'll start running into pressure issues with most fans where your airflow would be quite a bit better on the 60 than the 80, which would make a bigger difference than the extra 20mm thickness.

Also, consider that the thickness is parallel with the air flow, so once your fan air flow rate reaches the point where it can't hold any more heat (air has crappy heat capacity) by the time it reaches the other side of the rad, then making it longer serves no purpose. Now if you had monster fans with insane air flow rate, then the extra 80mm might help a decent bit.
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