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How you chill it? I'm just curious, compressor? I've herd of people using ice tubs, but that just seems... Idk, I'm betting there is a real slick way of doing it. I'd take apart a water cooler and make my own rig for it, would be a fun project if I had the tools/money.

It's a single stage phase cooling unit that runs at -50c

http://www.overclock.net/f/133/phase-change
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Pretty much what will happen in most games once you go clock-for-clock and push the GPU, which is why I could careless about upgrading my 1055T. It simply doesn't make enough of a difference when youre playing at settings where the GPU is the bottleneck.

The entire point of the article was that average FPS doesn't matter. The reason they included graphs like the one in your post was to show how similar the results will look if you're looking at average FPS, when you should be looking instead at how often frames are taking up more time than they should, which gives for a jittery experience.

Regardless, if you're happy with the performance you're getting in games then it doesn't matter what some article tells you, game on!
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The IPC argument? That's the mark of the ignorant and fanboys, anyone who is neither knows IPC means as much as clock speed on its own, I could have a chip with over 400% higher IPC than Ivy Bridge but if it doesn't clock over 1Ghz (A very likely scenario with such high IPC on current processes) then it won't beat a BD, let alone SB and IB.

That chip at 1ghz would still be as fast as a 4Ghz Ivy Bridge CPU so it would definitely be faster then BD.

Not neccessarily, 400% average doesn't mean 400% over the board, it might only be 200% faster in IPC for application A.
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Crysis 1? If so, I have no idea what the hell you were doing, but I was managing over 10 fps on a freaking Athlon XP @ 2Ghz with a 6800GS at all times when I played Crysis for the first time. (Second time was on a C2D and was a hell of a lot faster and better looking)

I suggest you read what I said again, it was pulling 55fps average but serverly dropped during intense action, the later half of the 'Harbor' map killed the frame rate.

You said (And I quote) "single digits". My BD gets 15fps minimum on that Assault Harbor Benchmark at a lower clock speed and IPC than that Phenom II (Proof), it should by rights be getting less FPS than your Phenom II was unless it was a driver issue or something on your side causing that...Which isn't anything to do with Phenom II or Bulldozer.

Give me 5 minutes and I'll also run it on my girlfriends 3570k and HD7850 based system for a decent comparison, Crysis was installed off my Crysis Maximum Edition DVDs and patched to v1.21, literally reinstalled just for this topic..
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Also, what cooling were you on to get to 4.8Ghz? Chilled water?

Seriously, that's already been pointed out and common sense should tell you by looking at my avatar.

I wrote that before I read the other post and forgot to erase it.
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Seriously, CPU-z validation, screenshot of it doing a stress test for recommended times (1h for LinX, 6h P95, etc) with CPU-z showing it at 4.8Ghz.

To be blunt I'm not posting any, I'm tired of posting up screens of the clock because people are too arrogant and uneducated to grasp and comprehend it, infact he's a screen of the temps instead.

[/IMG]http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp166/almighty151986/Capture-4.png[/IMG]

And the system itself

[/IMG]http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp166/almighty151986/2011-11-01135440.jpg[/IMG]

Nice system, actually. Thanks for actually providing proof instead of skirting around it as a lot of OCN does. +rep
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He's definitely lying about the single number FPS though, or he had something seriously wrong with that system

Typical fan boy comment from someone on damage control mode rolleyes.gif

I'm an AMD fanboy, yet I literally built my girlfriend a system with a 3570k (I picked the parts), my laptop uses an i3 370M and my next build will have an i7 3820 and later on a 8 core IB-e, riiiight. I couldn't care less what company made my CPU.

Edit: Lol, using two systems at once makes BBCode fun.
Edited by Brutuz - 8/25/12 at 11:32pm
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and yet we dont see them use Core 2 Duo and Quad system. These system are still very common and it is also that 90% of the game requirement out there are still base on core 2 duo/quad.

to show the fps latency, they need to bring the minimum system and the old system to show how these system run on the latest game base on the game developer's system requirements.

IMO, This is yet another useless article. I already know my 2500K will not run slow on BF3 & 99% of the game out there, why should I be bother with FPS?
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and yet we dont see them use Core 2 Duo and Quad system. These system are still very common and it is also that 90% of the game requirement out there are still base on core 2 duo/quad.

to show the fps latency, they need to bring the minimum system and the old system to show how these system run on the latest game base on the game developer's system requirements.

IMO, This is yet another useless article. I already know my 2500K will not run slow on BF3 & 99% of the game out there, why should I be bother with FPS?

They had time constraints, but I would like to see this type of testing done on OCed chips, Athlon IIs (Dual cores), Piledriver based APUs and CPUs, i3s, Core 2 and just for the hell of it a P4 too.

Crysis results on 3570k at 4Ghz with a HD7850 for those interested. Mine was around 30fps near constantly apart from when he shot that rocket at the house, then it dropped to 15fps for a second (Clear sign of some CPU bottlenecking) but all in all I'd say the difference is 20% her CPU and 80% her GPU (HD7850 TwinFrozr) which is about that much faster than a GTX 470 @ stock on average, but my point remains that single digit FPS on any part of Crysis with a modern, OCed CPU is a sign of something else with your machine causing it.
Also for reference, CPU-z validation of her CPU.
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It's a single stage phase cooling unit that runs at -50c
http://www.overclock.net/f/133/phase-change

AHHHH Phase change, that's quite expensive to use isn't it? I'm talking about electrical draw, or did you make it nice and affordable in that terms? I read up all about that a while back, ingenious idea really. You could keep some pretty beefly overclocks 24/7 with that.
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AHHHH Phase change, that's quite expensive to use isn't it? I'm talking about electrical draw, or did you make it nice and affordable in that terms? I read up all about that a while back, ingenious idea really. You could keep some pretty beefly overclocks 24/7 with that.

Power draw is not as bad as people make it out to be, I run my 2500k at 5.3ghz 24/7
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AHHHH Phase change, that's quite expensive to use isn't it? I'm talking about electrical draw, or did you make it nice and affordable in that terms? I read up all about that a while back, ingenious idea really. You could keep some pretty beefly overclocks 24/7 with that.

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Power draw is not as bad as people make it out to be, I run my 2500k at 5.3ghz 24/7

Exactly. The power draw isn't any worse than that of a high end GPU for example. Depending on the GPU and the unit obviously but Phase isn't really nearly as bad as some people think.
 
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Exactly. The power draw isn't any worse than that of a high end GPU for example. Depending on the GPU and the unit obviously but Phase isn't really nearly as bad as some people think.

Ahh, that isn't so bad.
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wow... I feel sad for fx-8150 owner....they get around 30% less fps in almost everygame(except for bf3).. That some huge bottleneck here
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