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post #21 of 216
8/24/12 at 11:32am
americas legal system is becoming about as trustworthy as Russia's system

this is just the begging of it all for the common person sadly, half the tech news you read will be put to use in controlling society in some way
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post #22 of 216
8/24/12 at 11:33am
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the reason why the punishment cost is set too high is to make the piracy not worth it. i mean, if its just 5x the price of a song then:
ME: i'll only pay 5 dollars per song IF i get caught? ok, no problem then, the chance of being caught is next to none anyway,

Exactly! The possibility of having to pay more money than you will ever make in your life time can put a damper on your willingness to get and sharing "free" stuff. Now, the problem (as you said) is that the chance of getting caught is next to none. Everyone says they won't be the ones to get caught, and they are probably right.
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8/24/12 at 11:37am
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Yes they are actually. What's the point of punishment if it's not to deter to crime?

So when you cross the street on red light and judge will rule to cut your both legs will be a good example to others.

I like this idea smile.gif
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8/24/12 at 11:39am
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Yes they are actually. What's the point of punishment if it's not to deter to crime?

Indeed but they're not supposed to make a single person pay for everyone's crimes. I mean, he's not Jesus, as far as I know...
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8/24/12 at 11:42am
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Joel Tenenbaum must pay $675,000 (£426,000) in damages awarded to the major US music labels after his request for a retrial was turned down.
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In the US a jury can set a fine of up to $150,000 for every occasion of wilful copyright infringement, meaning that Mr Tenenbaum's fine is below the maximum he could have received for the 31 songs he was found guilty of illegally sharing.

This doesn't make sense to me. If it is a "fine" from the government, then the music industry shouldn't see a single penny from the money, however the first statement says it's money direct to the music industry as if the RIAA is sueing the defendant.

In which case can the music industry prove how much money they lost to his alleged sharing, and how many people the songs that HE specifically released downloaded resulting in said loss of income?
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8/24/12 at 11:43am
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Indeed but they're not supposed to make a single person pay for everyone's crimes. I mean, he's not Jesus, as far as I know...

If he was jesus, he could just get a bunch of water, turn it into wine and profit to pay off the fines....smile.gif
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8/24/12 at 11:45am
They pull out bullpoop facts saying they lose billions. Then a gullible/ill-informed judge accepts those numbers as fact. How do you think they got the maximum $150,000 per song in the first place?
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8/24/12 at 11:46am
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So when you cross the street on red light and judge will rule to cut your both legs will be a good example to others.
I like this idea smile.gif

Public executions, amputations and flogging still go on depending on where you live. Your culture decides what's considered "fitting punishment" for the crime you commit.
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8/24/12 at 11:48am
I think the fine is ridiculous, but... he broke the law. It's not like he didn't know what he was doing was illegal. I can't really feel bad for someone who knowingly breaks a law and gets caught. If you can't afford to pay a fine that is on the books; here's an idea; don't break the law.

I think red light cameras are ridiculous. I've got nailed by them a few times. I broke the law. I got a fine. I paid it. If I didn't run the damn light I wouldn't have to worry.
Edited by Humafold - 8/24/12 at 11:51am
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8/24/12 at 11:52am
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So when you cross the street on red light and judge will rule to cut your both legs will be a good example to others.
I like this idea smile.gif

That's unreasonable. I can't help you if you do not see that punishment is indeed "making an example" of a person in order to try and keep others from committing the same illegal acts.

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Indeed but they're not supposed to make a single person pay for everyone's crimes. I mean, he's not Jesus, as far as I know...

I didn't read anywhere that is the case.

Now do I think the fines imposed are a bit too steep in this case? Yes, I do. An idea of exactly what procedures the court uses to determine damages would be helpful in making an informed determination on what may be appropriate.
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