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Originally Posted by anAppleADay View Post

It has nothing to do with the education system and everything to do with teacher unions.

Less Faux 'news' please. Why do all the best education systems in the world (e.g. Northern Europe, Aussie, NZ) have teacher unions then?

Also teachers do work hard. In fact, they're underpaid. Good to know you have no reality of what it is like to be a good (keyword here) teacher.

Is the NZ education system perfect? No, far from it. Is it pretty darn good? Yeah.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 8/27/12 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

Less Faux 'news' please. Why do all the best education systems in the world (e.g. Northern Europe, Aussie, NZ) have teacher unions then?
Also teachers do work hard. In fact, they're underpaid. Good to know you have no reality of what it is like to be a good (keyword here) teacher.
Is the NZ education system perfect? No, far from it. Is it pretty darn good? Yeah.

It's funny you say that. Less CNN news for you, bro!

You have NO CLUE about the U.S. education except what you've read in warped left-leaning blogs and/or news stations. I actually grew up and still live in the U.S. (also lived in Bosnia & Herzegovina and Germany). It's more than a little irritating seeing teachers earning $100K+ in and around the Chicagoan suburbs (like that Jew colony Skokie) while nurses make $50k. I'm sorry, but nurses are a lot more vital in the modern world and there is a growing need for them. There is not, however, a need to excuse/pardon student loans for anyone who becomes a teacher and then decides to volunteer one or two hours a week to get away from paying their loans (under some "teacher forgiveness" plan or w.e.)

EDIT: You seem very defensive of the teaching position. May I ask if anyone in your household is a teacher?
Edited by anAppleADay - 8/27/12 at 1:59pm
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got a laptop for college, never used it for college. i use my computer. i hate workin on laptops.

i have a normal phone that will call and text. thats it.

only tech i care about is having decent portable headphones and an mp3 player, and for most of the time i used the clip+ which i loooooove and only costs 30 bucks.
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No thanks. You're mad, which is fine, but your ridiculous views shouldn't be put on everyone. I'm guessing you got to wear whatever you wanted growing up so why should other generations not get that same privilege?
Millions of tax dollars are spent on useless things like exploring Mars too. I won't get to enjoy stepping on Mars so why should money be spent on it? (sarcasm)

You missed my post's point entirely. No I was not able to wear what ever I wanted. Its that kind of thinking that turned high school into a fashion show. School is for learning only. Not chatting with friend's, not texting on your i device. I was clothed well but not in the latest fashion until I got a job. Please read my post before picking it apart.
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This thread should be closed I think as it's completely derailed.
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Ha! When I was in H.S. in the mid nineties you were lucky/cool if you had a pager.

^^^^ This! Some people had wireless phones at home but most were still on cords. Unfortunately unless it is via text, Facebook or some other social network, communication skills with kids/teens are severely lacking.
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Your poster is Che. No you don't. Anyone who is for communism wants to be the state.
Giving advice on money by mentioning you bought a mac laptop? LOL, and I know I quoted teh wrong person.
With the decrease in birth rates there are a lot of spoiled single children in rich homes in many countries, even China. It can even apply to two to three siblings depending how rich the parents are and how much they spoil them. Theres a reason its called spoiling.
A baby only cares about itself, your job as a parent is to turn that baby into a responsible hardworking productive adult that will make the world better and be able to control themselves. You can also go too hard on this and create massive mental problems. But teaching your kids morals and productivity are a parents jobs and it will always appear they are restricting, because they are restricting, which is their job to make you into a capable adult. Our natural instincts and desires are destructive and the brain isn't even developed until you are 24 or 25 so they are literally not capable of thinking for themselves.
Parents are no longer parents, its more of a peer relationship in a lot of cases which is sad because its destructive to the kid and society.

your poster is a elf? so your a kid playing gameboy?

just cause my avatar is of ernesto che guevara doesn't mean i don't know how economy works. plus, you should've quoted my whole post you incompetent. because it included examples of how the economy works.

here you go, read it all and quote it all.


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i know how economy works.
its a supply and demand system where company compete with company for employees and where workers compete with workers for jobs. so for example, if less people are going into the medic field and there is a shortage of workers, then it becomes company vs company and they entice people with higher wages,benefits etc.
however, if the opposite happens such as less jobs in a particular field (because too many people are qualified and opting to go into it) and there is more then the needed amount of candidates to fill it then it becomes worker vs worker and companies drive the pay down as there are soo many people who are willing to work for less just to get the job.
poor people are not poor always because they lack skills, i knew a ttc driver who was making 30$ a hour and had great benefits and union protection lose his job because a cop suspended his license.
now all he can do is minimum wage 10.25 a hour with no benefits, no insurance, much harder working conditions.
the reason why the government can't just print out money and give it for free is because if there are no farmers cause they are getting free money then the food value increases substantially based on the food supple and money printed. as money is printed, it causes inflation effect. money circulates, is what i'm tring to say. capitalism allows a individual to own too much in society. based on luck/potential/skill and whats happening in society right now is that the rich is geting richer and the poor is getting poorer. to sum it all up with the pizza analogy is that, 10 slices of pizza represents the total amount of money printed by the government. the rich, being in the position they are, are able to take advantage and rip off workers you could say and get a much better cut of the slice based on his/her contribution then the poor guy working for him with government regulations and laws included.
money circulates, its just a question of how its distributed.

Edited by Bobobearx - 8/27/12 at 2:52pm
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This is nothing new. When I was in school instead of tech gadgets it was T.H. branded clothing, jinco's and what ever the latest pair of basket ball shoe's Nike released.
a local school around me made local new's for a new policy. Any and all MP3 players, Tablet's, Laptop's, Smart Phone's or any other device outside of what the school provides in the computer lab are very strictly prohibited. This same school also has a new dress code. No clothing advertising Sports Teams, TV show's and similar are banned, along with the regular no sagging, no short skit's, no overly baggy jeans, ect, ect.
I think all public school's should adopt the same kind of strick regulation on students. Millions upon millions of tax doller's are spent so these kids can have an education instead it a porstitot training ground breading ignorant behavior. Worst of all the few kids who actually do want to learn are held back. Disgusting in my opinion.
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My school was too badly mismanaged to be able to afford to clothe everyone, and many of the students were too poor to afford food, let alone a dress code, so it's probably a good thing we didn't have much of a dress code.

Seriously, the no advertising restriction alone would have cut the student population by 20% when the trailer park kids, whose only two sets of clothes both happened to be based around beat up Lakers jerseys, physically couldn't meet the requirements. Wouldn't have deminished peer pressure anyway. Even seemingly identical uniforms can be worn certain ways or modified. However, I do suppose it would have saved the rich kids and their parents a buck.

Also, there is a difference between very strictly prohibited and people complying with such prohibitions. I'm pretty sure marijuana was "very strictly prohibited", but you couldn't find a single urinal or toilet in the building without a half dozen roaches in it.
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The parents are under the same pressure, who are you kidding.

Many, perhaps the majority, of parents are weak willed slaves of public opinion who need to compete in childish popularity contests by proxy and live vicariously through their children.
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I can see their justification in primary / elementary schools. And many teachers do as well, thus why a lot of schools, both private and public, down here use iPads as a teaching tool.

Smartphones and iPads didn't exist when I was in school, and the idea of my school using them is laughable. They would have been stolen by the hundreds and hawked off on eBay.

People, especially kids, don't respect property that isn't theirs.
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Go learn how the US education system, since it's based on state funding, is grossly inefficient and discriminatory.

I spent thirteen years in and out of US public schools; I'm intimately acquainted with all kinds of inefficient and discriminatory.

The causes are more complex than being based around "state funding".
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Less Faux 'news' please. Why do all the best education systems in the world (e.g. Northern Europe, Aussie, NZ) have teacher unions then?
Also teachers do work hard. In fact, they're underpaid. Good to know you have no reality of what it is like to be a good (keyword here) teacher.
Is the NZ education system perfect? No, far from it. Is it pretty darn good? Yeah.

Where I am from, teacher's unions have all but destroyed any incentive to perform well as an educator. The requirements for becoming a teacher are laughable, and the job security is great in the most terrible ways possible. Unless you are caught participating in an underage orgy on school property, a tenured teacher has virtually zero chance of ever being dismissed, and any suspensions are with pay.
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if it's not needed in post secondary it's not needed in primary
what a waste of good toys
Edited by SirWaWa - 8/27/12 at 3:07pm
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Sounds like the parents of the kids you went to school with should have payed more attention and got a proper education. They might not have such a hard time affording such basic's such as proper fitting cloths, food and so on
Edited by KhaoticKomputing - 8/27/12 at 3:11pm
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