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Care to elaborate on your emoticon? Do you know what a FRAND commitment is?
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Care to elaborate on your emoticon? Do you know what a FRAND commitment is?

Nope. The emoticon still stands.

Even double now.

"Oh we'll license this general design of the smart-phone/tablet to you for $30/40 per device AND if you cross-license with us it will only cost you $26 24 a phone!"

Yea..
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We already know that way back in 2010 Apple tried to sell its licenses to Samsung for patents they have been infringing upon. We also know that Apple demanded more than 2 billions in damages from Samsung. However, today’s leaked documents show the exact number figures per license – $30 per smartphone and $40 per tablet. Apple thinks that this is a great offer and Samsung should respond in favorably. There’s more to it, Apple wants $30 on each smartphone by Samsung including Android, Windows, Symbian and Bada, according to them all these phones are infringing on one or more of their patents.
Read more at http://androidheadlines.com/2012/08/featured-apple-wants-up-to-40-per-phone-30-per-tablet-from-samsung-for-patent-licenses.html#Ece3pAYy2fyIrjoM.99



Totally reasonable.

edit edit:

I'm having difficulties now, but did I mention that for use of samsung's FRAND patents, apple would pay pennies on the dollar per device?

Yea... this is apple attempting to get preferential treatment with UN-reasonable terms.
Edited by Nocturin - 8/31/12 at 9:18am
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Nope. The emoticon still stands.
Even double now.
"Oh we'll license this general design of the smart-phone/tablet to you for $30/40 per device AND if you cross-license with us it will only cost you $26 24 a phone!"
Yea..

Totally reasonable.
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I'm having difficulties now, but did I mention that for use of samsung's FRAND patents, apple would pay pennies on the dollar per device?
Yea... this is apple attempting to get preferential treatment with UN-reasonable terms.

Explain to me again what that has to do with Motorola and its FRAND patents? My understanding is that the Apple patents are not subject to a FRAND agreement. Either way both are unreasonable, doesn't make Moto's actions forgivable.
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Explain to me again what that has to do with Motorola and its FRAND patents? My understanding is that the Apple patents are not subject to a FRAND agreement. Either way both are unreasonable, doesn't make Moto's actions forgivable.

it wasn't.
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That's akin to holding a concert, locking everyone in, and then telling people who make over $75,000 per year must pay $100 for each bottle of water, while people who make less can have them for $2. And if you don't pay up, then you may die of thirst. Explain to me how that is fair. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Anyway, Apple and Moto are settling in Germany over the licensing and a Judge will set a fair price if the two can't reach an agreement. Here's some info:
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/moto_licenses_standards-essential_patents_to_apple_in_germany/
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In the U.S., a jury decided that patent exhaustion protected Apple from infringement claims—in other words, that Apple was covered by the licenses already owned by the companies making the components that used Samsung’s SEP technology. Apple hasn’t not made similar claims in its fight with Moto, arguing instead that Moto had demanded unreasonable rates.

but that is ^.

Apple feels it deserves special treatment.

It demands (i've seen estimates ranging from 250m to 1.5b a year) exorbitant royalties for ridiculously general patents. These would even get royalties from a Windows Phone (Samsung Blackjack 2) that is a bar-phone.
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Yes I read the links, and looked through all of it.
This is the definition of ornamental design straight from the US Patent Office:
Basically, ornamental design can refer to an entire device, or just parts of it. The way to tell is that solid lines designate what is being patented, and broken up lines designate what is not.
So, based on the fact that the solid lines represent what is being patented, let's look at 087.
Figures 1-8 patent the rectangle shape with the rounded corners, with the circular button in the middle at the bottom of the phone.

Figures 9-16 patent the rectangle shape with rounded corners, and the screen making up almost all of the front.

Figures 17-24 patent the rectangle shape with rounded corners, and the horizontal speaker on top in the oval shape.

Figures 25-32 patent the rectangle shape with the rounded corners, screen, and circular button.

Figures 33-40 patent the rectangle shape with the rounded corners, speaker, and circular button.

Figures 41-48 patent the rectangle shape with the rounded corners, screen, and speaker.

D677- as I said patents the black front, but also the screen taking up the entire front of the device and the horizontal speaker on top.
305- you seem to be right here in that it patents the icons as well.
So for almost every touchscreen phone, they would be violating 087 based on figures 9-16. That's just ridiculous.
You also must not have heard of sciphones. My relatives got a sciphone. From a distance, it looks pretty much identical to an iphone. Disregarding different physical dimensions (which these patents don't cover anyways), the layout and icons are pretty much the same, much more similar than any Android phone. Why isn't Apple going after these blatant Chinese knockoffs?

It was probably given a very fair deal from moto. Based on the deal that they(apple) offered Samsung back in 2010, I sincerely doubt they would agree to anything that wasn't free.
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it wasn't.
but that is ^.
Apple feels it deserves special treatment.
It demands (i've seen estimates ranging from 250m to 1.5b a year) exorbitant royalties for ridiculously general patents. These would even get royalties from a Windows Phone (Samsung Blackjack 2) that is a bar-phone.
It was probably given a very fair deal from moto. Based on the deal that they(apple) offered Samsung back in 2010, I sincerely doubt they would agree to anything that wasn't free.

It was 2.5% of retail price, close to what Apple wants. I'm not sure what point you're arguing with me, both are too high. The poster I originally quoted said Moto should charge whatever they want, which violates the FRAND agreement.
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Steelborn the holy knight of Apple. Still at it huh.....
I almost kind of like that title, but it's BOM not BORN. If I'm a knight you should call me sir. And yes I'm still trying to explain things to people, as usual. It's my duty!
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it wasn't.
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In the U.S., a jury decided that patent exhaustion protected Apple from infringement claims—in other words, that Apple was covered by the licenses already owned by the companies making the components that used Samsung’s SEP technology. Apple hasn’t not made similar claims in its fight with Moto, arguing instead that Moto had demanded unreasonable rates.

but that is ^.

Apple feels it deserves special treatment.

It demands (i've seen estimates ranging from 250m to 1.5b a year) exorbitant royalties for ridiculously general patents. These would even get royalties from a Windows Phone (Samsung Blackjack 2) that is a bar-phone.

It was probably given a very fair deal from moto. Based on the deal that they(apple) offered Samsung back in 2010, I sincerely doubt they would agree to anything that wasn't free.
Your assuming. Apple claimed that the 2.25% that Motorola Mobility wanted from Apple was too high for a FRAND patent. They asked to see what Motorola Mobility had charged other companies for this FRAND patent. Apple has agreed to license this now, but the price will be decided by the court.

It's irrelevant in this case what Apple has asked for their own patents. Apple's patents aren't FRAND either -- they can ask for them what they want.
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Now apple is adding the Galaxy S3 and Galaxy note 10.1 to its list of wanted banned products from Samsung. I really really hope Apple loses. God I can't stand apple. They think they invented the cell phone. I do find it funny though that in Asia Apple always loses its patent cases against Samsung....
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