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post #11 of 124
8/25/12 at 12:31pm
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And some off axis measurements for the tweeter 0 - 70 degree in 10 degree steps:



It's nice and even without too many strange things going on. The rising response from 5 Khz to 10 Khz could make it a good candidate for wave guide.

I remember I've tried this tweeter in a wave guide before and seem to remember the results were good, but I can't find the measurements, so I will try measure it with a small wave guide again.

A wave guide is basically a horn loading, but much more subtle.

Edit: spelling
Edited by jvjessen - 8/25/12 at 12:35pm
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post #12 of 124
8/25/12 at 12:52pm
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I had a look around and found the old test waveguide. It's just a piece of scrap wood with the waveguide routed into it and then the tweeter taped to the back.





I will try to do some measurements with it and see what it looks like.
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post #13 of 124
8/25/12 at 1:50pm
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Off axis measurements with small waveguide:




It does flatten the response by removing the dip in the middle, but it doesn't really improve dispersion. It also makes the driver about 6dB more efficient, but I don't really have much use for that in this case as the woofer isn't very efficient.

I might try with a different size wave guide to see if I can get both flat response and improved dispersion, yeah I want it all smile.gif not sure if it's possible though. These ring radiator tweeters do behave a bit different from a normal dome tweeter.
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post #14 of 124
8/26/12 at 10:20pm
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I've tried a couple more wave guide shapes, e.g this one had some potential, but also some severe dips in the frequency response:




Now I'm making a shallow one out of acrylic, I hope it will give me something closer to what I'm looking for in this project:



The guide is slightly concave and just ~4mm deep.




My main goals are more linear frequency and better dispersion to the sides.
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post #15 of 124
8/26/12 at 11:29pm
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New acrylic waveguide looks like a success biggrin.gif very linear response:




And nothing really changed in distortion:



The tweeter got some kind of resonance or internal reflection at 1 KHz, so crossover should be above 2 KHz, depending on the woofers dispersion, I'll probably go for somewhere around 3 KHz.

Still need to measure tweeter dispersion with the new waveguide, hoping at least 0 to 30 degrees are close together.
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post #16 of 124
8/26/12 at 11:38pm
The tweeter looks like a nipple. Just saying what everyone else is thinking tongue.gif
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8/26/12 at 11:48pm
Interesting stuff, does it get harder with the woofer and the cabinet? Guess I'll have to wait and see smile.gif
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I guess I'll have to wait and see but are you wiring each speaker to a 3.5 mm plug or just wires into a receiver?
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post #19 of 124
8/27/12 at 12:09am
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The tweeter looks like a nipple. Just saying what everyone else is thinking tongue.gif

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Nah, not really, it's much smaller and more pointy smile.gif (the tweeter that is)
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8/27/12 at 12:17am
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Interesting stuff, does it get harder with the woofer and the cabinet? Guess I'll have to wait and see smile.gif

Thanks smile.gif yes, there will be much more trouble when I get them together in a small cabinet. They will be quite small, so there will be a diffraction/baffle step issue to deal with and probably some dips and peaks as well. It's quite a lot of work to design a good pair of speaker, doesn't get easier just because they are small smile.gif

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I guess I'll have to wait and see but are you wiring each speaker to a 3.5 mm plug or just wires into a receiver?

I haven't decided on that yet, but the plan so far is to make them active with built in amplifier (might change). Could just be a 3.5mm socket, or maybe a pair of phono sockets.
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