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Check it out. Still have some changes to make. Finally got it built and installed into my case and testing it now. So far, it will go sub-ambient but I haven't insulated my cpu or mobo so I turn it off when it gets a couple degrees below ambient on the higher 2 cores (22c 22c 14c 14c using realtemp). This is with no load on the cpu, with a light load it will jump to 35c-40c. not ready to torture test yet I don't think. Also, I'm using a Q6600 at 3.0ghz (haven't built a new rig in about 4 years now).

If anyone has any questions or comments, feel free to post.

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Update 9/7/12: I'm happy to report I have changed the configuration of my loop to waterblock/pump -> chiller only and it is performing great! Idle temps are 12 12 5 5 and after 1.5 hrs of folding temps were 38 37 29 29. Read on to see the pics and explanations. Thanks for the interest.

Here's a pic of it now:
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Edited by Nastroglide - 9/16/12 at 9:48pm
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Welcome to TEC world. Good job on your chiller build !

Could you give more details, like what TEC, voltage, pump? You might be able to have lower temperature if you turn down the top radiator fan.
Regarding to your chiller design, I suspect there is air trapped inside. I bring this up because your cold plate is on the top. So any trapped air will hurt the heat transfer.
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So is this 2 TECs chilling liquid in a reservoir with 2 coldsinks sucking out heat from the res? Would be cool to see this thing at full power to see if it can cool that Quad. From what I remember, the Q6600's were massive heat generators?

Don't have much to go on in terms of specs and design, like fox was asking, maybe you can fill us in?
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Yes, 2 tec's drawing heat out of the liquid filled res. I have 13' of 1/4" copper tube coiled up inside of the res and the res is filled with 75/25 distilled water/antifreeze. I'm using Feser one fluid in the loop. The tec's are CP1-12726, which are way too much for my power supply to actually handle (meanwell sp-320-12), running them at 9.2v, maxed out the power supply capability at 10.5v during testing w no heat load. I originally had 12709's, which I may be switching back to this weekend for testing since I never actually tested them. That would let me mess w the voltage, plus the meanwell is getting super hot!

Pumps in the loop are the built in corsair one and the pump that's built into the xspc 5.25" bay res. Not very powerful by any means, but the only reason I've built it this way is b/c I had most of this stuff laying around. The plan is to build an actual w/c loop and incorporating the chiller. Which I will probably do in 3/8" tubing, so I may need to build a new res w 3/8" copper tubing inside. Oh, and I turn the fan off on the rad when the chiller starts dropping the temp on its own.

The loop is cold to the touch, but I don't think its removing heat well enough from the cpu bc of the corsair h50, which is prolly obvious to you guys. Oh and I got as much air out of the loop as I possibly could. Their is prolly a very small amount trapped i the rad, but I did spend quite a bit of time getting the air out (went to bed at 2am that night).

Thanks for the interest, glad to see you two taking notice in particular.

Oh btw, I haven't learned how to do the math with tec's yet, I just started building away! Would the 12709's work better in this application?
I have a ton of pics also if you guys want to see more.
Edited by Nastroglide - 8/25/12 at 7:34am
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Testing:
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Added a relay to the meanwell psu so it will turn on and off with computer:
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Here's a filthy corsair H50 waterblock, just had a feeling I needed to take it apart and check it before installing it:
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115v power in and switch for meanwell psu:
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Edited by Nastroglide - 10/6/12 at 10:11pm
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Ok, here's a few numbers for you. Those TECs (12726):

Vmax: 12V
Imax:
  • 19.5A @ 0dt
  • 19.1A @ 10dt
  • 18.8A @ 20dt
  • 18.5A @ 30dt
  • 18.0A @ 40dt
  • 17.3A @ 50dt
Qmax:
  • 227W @ 0dt
  • 185W @ 10dt
  • 147W @ 20dt
  • 108W @ 30dt
  • 65W @ 40dt
  • 25W @ 50dt

TEC 12709:

Vmax: 12V
Imax:
  • 7.4A @ 0dt
  • 7.25A @ 10dt
  • 7.1A @ 20dt
  • 7A @ 30dt
Qmax:
  • 73W @ 0dt
  • 61W @ 10dt
  • 47W @ 20dt
  • 35W @ 30dt

Since you have two TECs, the TDP of a stock Q6600 is 105W, therefore you TECs only have to cool about 52.5W each. That puts us around a Delta of 40°C since the load is under 65W.
The H50 looks like it sports a Thermal Resistance of 0.132°C/W for 125W, you TEC will be using about 216W and (216W + 52.5W = 269W) needs to be removed. The °C/W of the H50 will probably be around 0.167°C/W with that load of 269W.

For the 12726, you are looking at about (Ambient = 23°C):
Hotside = (0.167°C/W * 269W) + 23°C = 67.9°C
Coldside = 67.9°C - 40°C(Delta) = 27.9°C

Looks like these TECs are essentially creating an expensive Watercooler and Room Heater biggrin.gif

For the 12709 you are looking at a delta of about 15°C because 52.5W is almost smack dab between 10°C and 20°C. The heat needing to be removed will be about ([{7.25A + 7.1A} / 2](Avg) * 12V = 86.1W + 52.5W = 138.6W)
The H50 has around 0.135°C/W with that kind of load and that would give you final temps of:
Hotside = (0.135°C/W * 138.6W) + 23°C = 41.7°C
Coldside = 41.7°C - 15°C(Delta) = 26.7°C

The 12709 seem to have less heat output for the same final temperatures. But I did these calculations as if the TECs were the only thing cooling the CPU. With the single 120mm rad on after the CPU, that will lower the temperatures, of the liquid before it hits the chiller, which would inturn change how loaded the TECs were. I don't know any math that would help predict the water temperatures in that configuration. If I do I'll definitely chime in.

EDIT: The water temps will be around 36.3°C after the radiator, that's about all I can help yah with lol
Edited by Krow - 8/25/12 at 2:34pm
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Wow man thanks! Can you point me in the right direction to learn how to calculate all that as you just did?

So far they're creating a good foot warmer.

What do you think about this chiller in an actual (good) water loop? I've got a wishlist going on frozencpu that I will prolly purchase soon.

Also, it looks like I'll be swapping tec's to 12709's this evening...
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I use the charts from CustomThermoElectric to get the TEC details, but any TEC I've gotten doesn't seem to follow those charts that well. They usually pull less current for the voltage depicted. Anyhoo, when you have your Voltages, Amperage, you can find the TEC Load and it's Qmax for a given delta.

Pmax = Volt * Amps - must pick a delta or find for each delta individually

To find how much power a TEC is going to move:

TEC Load (W) = LoadSource (W) / [# of TECs] - only works if all TECs are the same

I use this reference to find the °C/W of the Corsair H50, as they record the delta of the cooler for a given load and that will get you:

Thermal Resistance (°C/W) = Delta (°C) / Power (W) - you can find the delta of a cooler for a load if you know the °C/W by multiplying it by the load
- or -
Thermal Resistance (°C/W) = [Final Temp (°C) - Ambient (°C)] / Power (W)
Cooler Delta = Thermal Resistance (°C/W) * Load (W)

To find what the Hotside and Coldside of TEC should be (under perfect circumstance):

Hotside (°C) = Cooler Delta (°C) + Ambient (°C)
Coldside (°C) = Hotside (°C) - TEC Delta of Load (°C)
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Awesome, will have to read that a few times. Thanks.
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