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Hm, a bit more expensive than H100 at ~130. TBH for 130 you can get already sort of decent kit - for example - http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p13669_Alphacool-NexXxoS-Cool-Answer-240-LT-ST---kit.html - which, I would expect, to perform a little better than this closed loop as it has that full copper rad which scales very well while pump is comparable strength but hoses are larger. While in general hose diameter is not relevant it can have some effect if the pump is particularly weak.

Would be interesting to see if my suspicion is correct tho. A proper review of a closed loops vs comparably priced kits (like raystorm, this aplcool, etc).
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Hm, a bit more expensive than H100 at ~130. TBH for 130 you can get already sort of decent kit - for example - http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p13669_Alphacool-NexXxoS-Cool-Answer-240-LT-ST---kit.html - which, I would expect, to perform a little better than this closed loop as it has that full copper rad which scales very well while pump is comparable strength but hoses are larger. While in general hose diameter is not relevant it can have some effect if the pump is particularly weak.
Would be interesting to see if my suspicion is correct tho. A proper review of a closed loops vs comparably priced kits (like raystorm, this aplcool, etc).

Except this is meant for people who would never go with a kit. These closed loops are for people who don't want any of the maintenance of a traditional water loop.

The instillation took all of 15 minutes, the temps are great, the included software functional. I was super impressed with it. Aside from many different air coolers I have used the H50 and H80 before, this easily beats both of those.

Best closed loop I have used in any build so far.
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Except this is meant for people who would never go with a kit. These closed loops are for people who don't want any of the maintenance of a traditional water loop.
The instillation took all of 15 minutes, the temps are great, the included software functional. I was super impressed with it. Aside from many different air coolers I have used the H50 and H80 before, this easily beats both of those.
Best closed loop I have used in any build so far.

True that.

Although in my opinion the traditional loop can be as maintenance free as a closed loop, its just that people who go for the closed loop don't know that. All you need to do is to install stuff carefully and throw in there a proper mix of stuff instead of pure distilled (trading some cooling ability for maintenance free operation, as is done in the closed loops).
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...am i missing something? i've read through all three of those reviews, and I don't see any definitive benchmarks comparing the TT2.0 against H100... there was the description of h100 performance in Tomato16's 'Mini Review'....

I am certainly not a corsair fanboy by any means.. infact, i really want to see more 2x120 closed loop solutions. I just find it odd that everyone seems to be talking about how poor the h100 is but i don't see any quality comparisons
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I just installed my Water 2.0 Extreme into my new rig (sig rig below). I seem to be having a problem with the fan control software. When I set the mode to extreme, it shows 0000 fan speed, even though the fans ramp up to full speed (I can hear them). It shows the fan speed otherwise for silent and custom. Anyone have this problem or is it just me?
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True that.
Although in my opinion the traditional loop can be as maintenance free as a closed loop, its just that people who go for the closed loop don't know that. All you need to do is to install stuff carefully and throw in there a proper mix of stuff instead of pure distilled (trading some cooling ability for maintenance free operation, as is done in the closed loops).

Even a loop with all copper components (and the brass), absolute top of the line tubing with no plasticizer issues, pure distilled water with a very potent anti-microbial, a top-notch corrosion inhibitor, and a lubricating/performance-improving additive (Redline Water Wetter is the best I know of) will still require maintenance. Automotive cooling systems, which are far more robust than the best of cooling loops, require that you change the fluid every few years, at least. I simply cannot think of a way to make a truly maintenance free cooling loop as there are simply too many variables to account for: fluid loss, reduction of additive potency/effects, corrosion, and so forth.
This is the most prominent reason that I have steered clear of closed loop water cooling units. The performance will degrade over time, it's inevitable. I am not saying that the units are bad, simply that I find that the custom loop route is a much better alternative, although I realize its not possible for many people due to expense, apprehension, and the like.

What makes a good sealed liquid cooling system good, in my opinion, is how well the manufacturer has balanced each component with one another while only "giving up" the absolute minimum of performance. The Corsair series doesn't meet these standards (my standards), but I think that the Thermaltake Water2.0 units have a lot more potential. The use of a 38mm thick 240 rad instead of the (honestly pathetic) 25mm thick H100 rad is a simple but significant change, as is the improved tubing that is more flexible while being less prone to fluid loss. The improved pump performance is a significant step forward in performance potential, and the cold plate is a fantastic design.

While the "ultimate" SLCS would appear to be the "upcoming" CM Eisenberg semi-modular SLCS, it is too far off to be able to say anything about it other than "looks promising". I do think that by the time you get up to the 360 rad version, pricing will be within a few dozen bucks of a "real" loop kit such as the Swiftech H2O-220/320 or the XSPC Raystorm EX240/280/360/420 + D5 kit. Both of these offer one of the two best overall pumps with the Swiftech coming out ahead in this area courtesy of the MCP35X IMO, although the XSPC kit offers a significantly better radiator; the CPU blocks are about the same, and while I prefer the Apogee HD for its mounting system + larger die contact plate + multiple outlets, the Raystorm does offer much less restriction and 1-2C better temps on 1155/AM3+ CPUs.

I just don't see the sealed liquid cooling systems as being in the same category as "real" liquid cooling, but they are clearly not air cooling units either, instead they occupy a middle ground, offering some of the benefits of each (air/water) along with the cons of each. I think that they have proven themselves to have a spot in the market, but I really think it's time that they evolve. The Corsair units are just terrible IMO, and should have been updated twice-over by now, although it's obvious that Corsair has become a company that relies on the name to sell products instead of constantly innovating and taking risks. I do hope that changes, but it does not quite feel like it's going to happen any time soon.
   
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I just installed my Water 2.0 Extreme into my new rig (sig rig below). I seem to be having a problem with the fan control software. When I set the mode to extreme, it shows 0000 fan speed, even though the fans ramp up to full speed (I can hear them). It shows the fan speed otherwise for silent and custom. Anyone have this problem or is it just me?

Compared to the Antec 620/920 and Corsair H50/H70 (and other Aseteks), there aren't many Water 2.0 series owners on OCN.

The Antecs are closest to what you currently run, with similar fan control software. You should try the Antec Kühler H2O 620/920 Club - http://www.overclock.net/t/990111/antec-k-hler-h2o-620-920-club/1950

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...am i missing something? i've read through all three of those reviews, and I don't see any definitive benchmarks comparing the TT2.0 against H100... there was the description of h100 performance in Tomato16's 'Mini Review'....
I am certainly not a corsair fanboy by any means.. infact, i really want to see more 2x120 closed loop solutions. I just find it odd that everyone seems to be talking about how poor the h100 is but i don't see any quality comparisons

You mentioned you were "really disappointing that they didn't include comparable closed loop liquid cooling setups for comparison benchmarks. I wanna see how this stacks up against H100, H80, Etc."

Those reviews all feature comparable CLCs. In the absence of direct comparisons to the specific ones you mentioned, you can extrapolate results based on how those two units generally compare to the CLCs listed in those links.

The OCN mini-review has an indirect comparison to the H100, which mentions the Water 2.0 Extreme being a few degrees cooler than the H100. Most owners have said the same and the performance difference would be that much greater if the 2.0 Extreme's max fan RPM were as high as the H100's max.


Here are two direct comparisons:

Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme vs Corsair H100
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme vs XSPC Rasa RX240 vs Corsair H100

Hardware-Test.dk - Test: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme

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The system will be tested on the following hardware:
Gigabyte GA-X58-UDR3
Intel i7 920 D0
Inno3D 560Ti
3x1GB Corsair Dominator 1600mhz 8-8-8-24
Enermax 1000W

The whole is assembled in a Corsair Carbide 500R chassis

To compare with, we have the Corsair H100 and XSPC Rasa 750 RX240

Test Programs:
Prime95 (Large FFT's)
LinX (1024mb ram)
Realtemp
CPU-Z


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ProClockers - Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme
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Test Hardware:

1. ASUS X79 Deluxe Motherboard
2. Intel Core i7 3930K Processor @ 4.5GHz @1.45v
3. Kingston HyperX 1866 DDR3 16GB
4. Kingston V+ 200 120GB Solid State Drive
5. ASUS BC12B1LT BD-Rom Drive
6. Thermaltake Frio Extreme CPU Cooler
7. Microcool Banchetto 101 Open Air Test Bench
8. Silverstone Strider Gold Evolution 850W Power Supply
9. ASUS Nvidia GTX 560Ti 448 Graphic Card

Thermal compound used is Arctic Silver 5

Load temperatures are recorded by running OCCT for twenty minutes on all available threads.

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Funky Kit - Review: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme

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CPU: Intel Core i7 3770k
MB: Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H
RAM: G.Skill RipjawsX 2133 7-10-7
GPU: EVGA GTX580
PSU: Antec HCP-850
SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 240GB MaxIOPS
Case: Thermaltake Armor Revo

I tested the Water 2.0 Extreme against the excellent Phanteks PH-TC14PE that has, so far, dominated my reviews.

The results are still in degrees centigrade over ambient

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There you have it folks. We have a new Best Cooler Ever Tested!
post #28 of 122
i see why its sup post to be better than a h100 but that was a bull review just to make it seem better i really think its a dud that's why in-spite of all of the h100 problems even though mines runs perfect the water extreme is not that much better at all and it post to have a stonger pump thicker rad but there is on one or two degree diff between the two and it only support a two fan connection to me its a fail and the only thing to logically do is to wait for the coolermaster Eisenberg ,which we all no for sure will out perform the two
post #29 of 122
First off, excellent post and thank you for posting the review summaries! +rep

NAWZ77 - I am seeing what amounts to a significant difference, up to 7C, over multiple reviews in the excellent post above yours. You have the right to your opinion and I will never argue that, but the fact is that the Water2.0 Extreme is a far superior unit and I would buy it if I were into non-Custom pseudo-liquid cooling, and I would not even consider the H100 which is by all accounts an overpriced system outperformed by good air coolers. The Thermaltake Water2.0 Extreme is, I do believe, the first SCLCS that has actually beaten the top air cooling units. You may not realize that there are huge design constraints when it comes to building a system like this, and Thermaltake has managed to take advantage of every little piece of space they are given, while keeping the price more than fair, and outperforming the competition by a considerable amount. Corsair has just been sitting on their rear, thinking they are untouchable, but they have just been drop-kicked off the throne.
The fact that it can even compare to a real liquid cooling kit is impressive on its own, and something Corsair has never been able to do.

Also, you do realize that it takes $4 to buy a pair of Y-cables and you have push-pull, which is likely worth 1-3C, and should you add more powerful fans in push pull, I would go so far as to say that 5-7C drop is not unreasonable.

Way to go Thermaltake!
   
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
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Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
OtherOtherOther
Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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post #30 of 122
your welcome and thanks for the info but i need to see it to believe lol
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