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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

and my cooler won't ever leak on my board, should I mention it doesn't cost $150? I probably don't need to.

53 dba for $150, no thanks.

i feel you bro.. got a phantek TC14 here, superb cooler (tried 3 cm excalibur, temps are even better, but dont have a controller now, dont like 3 fans@2k rpm all the time :S); Hell, im itching to buy the Thermalright Silver ArrowSB-E EXTREME version just to fool around with it


until the day comes when a CLC system can ACTUALLY beat in both performance/noise the top end air coolers, this kind of "systems" are not worth it, plain and simple thumb.gif this TT extreme its getting closer but not there yet.. (almost)
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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

and my cooler won't ever leak on my board, should I mention it doesn't cost $150? I probably don't need to.

53 dba for $150, no thanks.

I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here - are you just trolling? If you don't want a closed-loop cooler, then move along to other types. Those of us who appreciate them will purchase one. Those who also like silence will probably get other fans too, myself included. It's not $150 either.
   
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just trolling?

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Those who also like silence will probably get other fans too, myself included. It's not $150 either.

If this is a higher-density rad (16+ FPI) then quieter fans might just gimp the cooling, in which case you're better off on air. (I don't know what the 2.0 Extreme's FPI is.)
    
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If you can afford an expensive All in one, surely you can buy a fan controller wink.gif
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Compared to the Antec 620/920 and Corsair H50/H70 (and other Aseteks), there aren't many Water 2.0 series owners on OCN.
The Antecs are closest to what you currently run, with similar fan control software. You should try the Antec Kühler H2O 620/920 Club - http://www.overclock.net/t/990111/antec-k-hler-h2o-620-920-club/1950
You mentioned you were "really disappointing that they didn't include comparable closed loop liquid cooling setups for comparison benchmarks. I wanna see how this stacks up against H100, H80, Etc."
Those reviews all feature comparable CLCs. In the absence of direct comparisons to the specific ones you mentioned, you can extrapolate results based on how those two units generally compare to the CLCs listed in those links.
The OCN mini-review has an indirect comparison to the H100, which mentions the Water 2.0 Extreme being a few degrees cooler than the H100. Most owners have said the same and the performance difference would be that much greater if the 2.0 Extreme's max fan RPM were as high as the H100's max.
Here are two direct comparisons:
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme vs Corsair H100
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme vs XSPC Rasa RX240 vs Corsair H100
Hardware-Test.dk - Test: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme
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To be honest that Phantek cooler looks nice.

The best TT products I've had have been three PSU's. I have had one 750W TP for five years now and it's still working fine.

I've also had a few coolers and during the A64/original FX days. The one thing I don't like about this cooler is the size, I dislike my H70 but this 2.0 Extreme is also not practical due to the 240mm rad length (don't remind me it adds to performance).
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Overclock.net - Community Review: Thermaltake WATER2.0 Extreme CPU Cooler Review Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
i5 2500K @ 4.8GHz

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Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post

Compared to a H100 in push pull config running at 100% fan speed I see my cores at
59,62,61,60

On the WATER2.0 Extreme with only 2 fans on Extreme settings using the same test I see
56,59,57,57

I did throw on two other fans for push pull and I saw no benefit at all.

Yes Extreme settings did make more noise but on this CPU and only a 2c difference I just went back to Silent.


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techPowerUp! - Community Review: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme Cooler Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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The other 240mm AIO cooler I refer to in the review is the Corsair H100. The Water2.0 Extreme outperformed my H100 in these personal tests- whether that can be taken to determine which is ultimately better is unknown.

http://www.overclock.net/products/thermaltake-water2-0-extreme/reviews/5371
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?s=000ff6240ad9423275826733b488e46c&t=172819
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Initial Impressions:
Thermaltake has done an excellent job with the overall construction of this cooler. The radiator is thicker than other 240mm solutions, the tubing is much easier to manipulate, and the dual 120mm white bladed fans look great matched up the rest of the all black hardware. Even at first glance there can be no doubt that this is a serious cooler ready to cool even the hottest of CPUs.

Installation:
If this is your first foray to All-in-One coolers, the installation may appear to be daunting at first. Thermaltake supplies brackets to install the cooler on nearly every socket within the last 5+ years, so there is an abundance of hardware when you open the box. Once you get down to it, you will realize that installation is not difficult at all. Thermaltake has included a full installation manual that will walk you through each of the steps and has a full color version of the instructions available on their website as well. To install the cooler you select the proper backplate, attach the proper ring mount to the pump, lock the mount to the pump with the supplied retention ring and screw the block down on the CPU. The radiator mounts to any dual 120mm fan cutout with four supplied screws and washers. I had no issues mounting the Water 2.0 Extreme in either my large Corsair 650D or the much smaller BitFenix Prodigy in the standard push configuration.

Software:
Thermaltake has included software control of the Water 2.0 Extreme without the need to buy additional hardware. To use this feature you simply plug in an additional cord from the pump to an open USB2.0 header on your motherboard and install the software and drivers off the included CD. Through the fan monitoring software you can select from 3 Cooling presets: Silent, Custom, and Extreme. In addition you are provided with meters measuring coolant temperature, noise levels, pump speed and fan speed. The Silent and Extreme modes keep the fan RPMs at 1200RPM and 2000RPM, respectively. The Custom mode allows you to set the coolant temperature at which the fans should start to accelerate and at what temp max speed should be used. The functionality it adds is useful and it seems the door is wide open for more features to be added.

Test Computer Configuration:
My test setup consisted of an AsRock Z68 Extreme 7 motherboard running an Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.3ghz (no power savings enabled w/ HT on) with 16GB of RAM running at the standard DDR3 1600CL9 XMP profile. A GTX 580 Lightning served as the GPU, but was kept at idle clocks with no load and auto fan control. The tests were carried out in temperatures of approximately 72F in the Corsair 650D with the internal case fans at their lowest possible setting. For load temperature, Prime95 Blend stress testing was used.

Performance:
At idle the CPU was kept chilly in either the Silent or Extreme settings. In silent mode the fans spin at a whisper quiet 1200RPM and resulted in core temps that ranged from 32-36C. In Extreme mode the fans will spin at an audible 2000RPM which kept the CPU at 31-36C.
At 100% load the Silent preset kept the hottest core of my I7 at 67C. When switched to the Extreme preset, the hottest core dropped to a max temperature of 57C. The results at Silent are a little higher than what I would expect, but at that speed the fans truly are silent- so much so that I checked if they were still spinning two times during the testing. With the temps well within acceptable limits I actually keep the Water 2.0 Extreme in this setting 95% of the time. The Extreme setting does keep the processor much cooler (beating some other 240mm AIOs that I have used in the past), but there is so much headroom in temps that I don’t feel it is necessary to run the fans at a higher and much more audible speed.

The Custom setting can find you that perfect middle ground, although you may find yourself using a little trial and error as fan speed is based of liquid temp inside the unit rather than CPU core temperatures.

The Concerns:
There really are only a couple minor concerns I have about the Water 2.0 Extreme. The most pressing issue that arose is a slight vibration in the fans when running at or near their full 2000RPM. I don’t know if this is an issue with the bearing used in the fans, but Thermaltake has advised me that no other instances of this issue has been documented. Another minor issue is the length of the CPU fan header coming off the pump. I’m a fan of keeping installs as clean as possible, but the short length of this lead leaves one of the fan connections out in the open right next to the socket. A slightly longer cable here would clean up the install immensely. The only other improvement I think Thermaltake can make is to add functionality to the software controls they have included. It seems like it would be relatively simple to allow the user to do things like set the fan speed to a specific RPM independent of temperature or edit their own fan ramp curves and I hope Thermaltake attempts to supply updates throughout the cooler’s lifespan.

My Verdict:
The Thermaltake Water2.0 Extreme is an excellent All-in-One water cooling solution for those who want to get their CPU under water, but don’t want to be burdened by building a modular loop. With only a short list of minor issues and a competitive price relative to what’s out there, the Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme should be at the top of the list for those that are looking for the best possible cooler for their PCs.


oZeros - Review: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Platform and Components

In this test, we used the previously reviewed coolers also joining the party oZeros an old acquaintance, the Thermalright Silver Arrow. Notably, it was not possible to use the Corsair H100, its direct competitor, for pump malfunction.


Processor Intel Core i7-3770K
Motherboard MSI Z77A-GD55
Memoirs 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws Z 2133 MHz
Power Supply CoolerMaster GX750W
Graphic card NVIDIA 8600 GTS
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 320 GB
Cabinet OC Custom Table
Refrigeration Thermaltake Extreme Water 2.0, Thermaltake Frio Extreme, Phanteks PH-TC14PE, Antec 920 Khüler
Fans Fans of each sink factory

Software Cinebench R11.5
LinX 0.6.4
Test Intelburn 2.53
CPU-Z 1.61.3
HWMonitor 1.19
Operating system and drivers Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1


Test Methodology Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
First of all, this was done in a closed room with an ambient temperature of 14 ° C ± 1, and in all the tests we used the thermal paste Prolimatech PK-1.

Software was installed Water 2.0 Extreme, so tests were run at full speed, for maximum performance and also in custom, which allows the computer to control the load own fan.

Tests were separated on stock CPU usage, without move BIOS parameters and energy savings. Under this configuration allowed the idle mode processor for 15 minutes, and the end temperature was recorded instantaneously. Then ran 3 times Cinebench 11.5 and maximum temperature was recorded. Subsequently LinX ran for 20 minutes, with memory "ALL" and the maximum temperature was recorded.

Then he used the Intel Core i7-3770K at 4.500MHz (x45 multiplier), with 1.2 V and with all power saving settings disabled, and re-run all the above tests.

For tests at 4,800 MHz with 1.46 V, instead of running LinX, it was decided to run IntelBurn Test in 10 passes, to avoid burning the CPU. Notably, all the temperatures are averaging the values ​​given by the four processor cores.

Results: CPU Stock
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Results: 4500 MHz CPU
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Bonus Track: Infernal Ivy Bridge 4.8 GHz!
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Test Rig

Motherboard: MSI X79A-GD45 (8D)
CPU: Intel core i7-3930k (3.2GHz) (OC 4.2GHz)
RAM: GeIL EVO Corsa CL9 2133MHz (2 x 4 GB)
Graphics Card: HIS HD7750 iCooler 1GB
Hard Drive: Zalman F1 SSD 120 GB
PSU: Antec HCG 750w
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme

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Test Setup
(Case) CoolerMaster Storm Trooper
(Motherboard) EVGA E758 X58 SLI
(CPU) Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.8ghz
(RAM) 3x2gb OCZ Platinum DDR3 1866
(PSU) Kingwin 730w PSU
(GPU) EVGA GTX580
(Sound Card) Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium
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Testing Method

In order to adequately test the cooler, I installed it and let it run for a few days to allow the TIM to cure, and then allowed it to run for about an hour at each setting in order to get a good baseline idle temp prior to running Intel Burn Test for 20 rounds.

Results

Silent
Idle temp between 40c and 42c on all cores
Max Load temp running IBT for 20 rounds was 74c to 77c on all cores

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Extreme
Idle temp between 40c and 42c on all cores
Max Load temp running IBT for 20 rounds was 68c to 72c on all cores

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Custom (For Custom, I set the Fan ramp start speed to 35c and the Full fan speed to 45c)
Idle temp between 43c and 44c on all cores ( The increased idle temp is likely do to the ambient temps of my office rising)
Max Load temp running IBT for 20 rounds was 71c to 76c on all cores

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As you can see, I noticed an average reduction in temperature of around 4c -6c between Extreme and either Custom or Silent. I probably would have noticed temps closer to that of extreme if I had set the fan profile more aggressively in the Custom setting.

Conclusion
The Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme is a solidly constructed and competent cooler with some really cool features. I really like the flexible rubber tubing and the GUI operated fan control. Thermaltake indeed has taken many of the inadequacies of previous coolers and improved upon them. I have absolutely no concerns about reliability, and if something ever did fail, I know that Thermaltake would make it right within the specified warranty period. The cooling performance comfortably rests near the top of a short list of other high end coolers. In order to get any substantial improvement in cooling performance, you would need to go to a complete custom Water Cooling setup or other exotic cooling method. Although the Water 2.0 Extreme provides considerable cooling performance, and some very innovative features, I think Thermaltake will still have trouble selling these at the listed MSRP of $129.99. A more competitive price would be around the $100-$110 mark.


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(PERFORMANCE)
For testing the WATER2.0 Extreme out, I am using the Intel LGA1155 platform.
Test bed:

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Intel 3770K
Asus Maximus V Gene
G.Skill F3-2666C11D-8GTXD/PC3-21300
Samsung SSD 830 128GB
Corsair AX1200
MSI R6970
Thermaltake WATER2.0 Extreme

I will be using LinX0.6.4- Simply linpak to create the CPU loads for these tests. Hyper Threading also will be enabled for all tests.
This will give us a great barometer of 8 threaded 100% loads as well as max out the 8 GB of RAM so we know the IMC is getting punished as well.

Silent Mode Idol 3.9 GHz:
Ambient Air Temperature = 17.2C
Average Fan Speed = 1283 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3053 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 23.5
Max CPU Temp = 23C, 20C, 23C, 21C

Silent Mode 100% Load 3.9 GHz:
Ambient Air Temperature = 17.2C
Average Fan Speed = 1276 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3051 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 25.3
Max CPU Temp = 54C, 56C, 55C, 51C

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Extreme Mode Idol 3.9 GHz:
Ambient Air Temperature = 18.4C
Average Fan Speed = 2035 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3063 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 23.3
Max CPU Temp = 22C, 21C, 22C, 21C

Extreme Mode 100% Load 3.9 Ghz:
Ambient Air Temperature = 18.4C
Average Fan Speed = 1980 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3067 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 25.2
Max CPU Temp = 54C, 57C, 56C, 50C

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As you can see there is no serious gain at stock speeds with the extreme setting over the silent, however keep in mind that ambient temperature was 1.2C above the ambient when testing the Silent mode. So if you’re fighting for every degree the Extreme mode looks to grab you a degree or two.

Overclocking:
I tried 4.6 Ghz with the silent mode and could not get it stable enough to run LinX for more than 35 minutes. The temps were running in the mid 80’. Since I have been running it for about an hour for these tests I have disqualified the silent mode results at 4.6 GHz. So as it turns out extreme mode really stretches its legs when overclocking, and the unit seems to have no problem at these clock speeds on the extreme setting.

Extreme Mode Idol 4.6 Ghz:
Ambient Air Temperature = 18.6C
Average Fan Speed = 2060 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3063 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 23.7
Max CPU Temp = 29C, 29C, 31C, 28C

Extreme Mode 100% Load 4.6 Ghz:
Ambient Air Temperature = 19.3C
Average Fan Speed = 2028 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3053 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 28.1
Max CPU Temp = 72C, 78C, 74C, 68C

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Next I am going to put some aftermarket fans on the unit to see if there is a benefit to a push pull configuration.
Since I do not have any PMW fans handy I am just going to use some AOC Florescent fans I have on hand, they are 79 CFM each with no speed control

Let’s see if these fans can help out a little, a lot or not at all ……….


Extreme Mode Idol 4.6 Ghz Push Pull Configuration:
Ambient Air Temperature = 18.9C
Average Fan Speed = 1948 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3067 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 21.4
Max CPU Temp = 23C, 23C, 22C, 21C

Extreme Mode 100% Load 4.6 Ghz Push Pull Configuration:
Ambient Air Temperature = 18.9C
Average Fan Speed = 1957 RPM
Average Pump Speed = 3046 RPM
Average Coolant Temperature = 27.7
Max CPU Temp = 71C, 77C, 73C, 68C

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Once again the results are negligible but a degree better than the single fans. So here it is again, if you are fighting for every degree the unit performs a degree better with a push pull configuration with fans that were used for this test. Results may vary depending on the aftermarket fans used. Being the radiator does not have a real tight fin design it will lend itself to perform well with low speed fans as opposed to ridiculously loud high CFM fans. No need for Deltas here.

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Please keep in mind all temps are max temps not average read with Real Temp.
The unit across all tests performed admirably. The build quality of the components seems to be very good. The fans provided are adequate and up to the job and when in silent mode not audible over the video card. On Extreme mode they are not obtrusively loud either, and much quieter than any air to air solution I have used with this type of performance.
The hoses and pump seem to be very sturdy and well built. The mounting system was thought out well and is easy to install.
One thing I would like to see is the grommets that slide into the retaining ring to be marked with a contrasting color to make them easier to read. The pump has a slight churning noise that is audible in silent mode, but quieter than my 655. The radiator provided is quite capable and the fin design lends itself to the use of lower speed fans. At a thickness of 36.5125mm the 240mm design delivers the goods. The software provided is not earth shattering, it simply works very well and is easy to navigate.

To sum it up I have to say that Thermaltake has hit the mark with the WATER2.0 Extreme. Bringing a high performance water cooler to mainstream computing that is very easy to install, No messing around filling coolant, purging bubbles or maintaining a loop is required. Easy mounting and everything you need is right in the box. (No more waiting for that fitting you forgot to order) While this product may not appeal to the hard core water cooling crowd, it is a home run for people like me that neither have the time nor patience to maintain a custom loop but cannot do without top end performance, Gamers who would rather be gaming than tinkering with a loop. From the enthusiast to the first time builder anyone can easily incorporate, and reap the performance of cooling with water as well as minimizing the sound of an air to air heat sink. The WATER2.0 Extreme in my opinion may have made high performance air cooling obsolete, and made water cooling reachable for anyone with a computer and mounting accommodations for the 240mm radiator.
Testing and looking over this product thoroughly, it is difficult to see many down sides to this unit; the price point for this kind of performance is more than fair and the quality is spot on.



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