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oh please, it's 100% about money.

It's not, Apple has 125B in cash, they don't need any money.

It's about them getting butthurt over the success of Samsung phones that were imo copies of the iPhone. They truly think they own the rights to the touchscreen smartphones which imho as an Apple supporter, they do not.

But lets be honest, if it wasn't for Apple and their iPhone, phones would suck. We'd still be stuck on BBM.
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It's not, Apple has 125B in cash, they don't need any money.
It's about them getting butthurt over the success of Samsung phones that were imo copies of the iPhone. They truly think they own the rights to the touchscreen smartphones which imho as an Apple supporter, they do not.
But lets be honest, if it wasn't for Apple and their iPhone, phones would suck. We'd still be stuck on BBM.

Highly doubtful.
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Buying technologies is something every company does. And every company copies, to an extent. But Samsung literally tried to make their smartphone(s) look more like the iPhone and that damned them. They deserved to lose, because they did do what they were accused of, and that's their fault. Ultimately the outcome of this was pretty fair. Samsung refused to license Apple's patents relating to multi-touch gestures, and they did copy the iPhone.

I don't have a lot of time right now, but I'll address this point.

Samsung refused to license since Apple wanted $40 per device, which is utterly ridiculous.

Again, I will use Apple's hypocritical ways to illustrate this.

Apple refuses to pay Motorola a royalty for the fundamental patent of a "portable hand-held telephone device".

What is an iPhone again? A "portable hand-held telephone device"

Motorola wants 2.25% of the sale price of each Apple device in which the standard is used. This works out to $14 per device. That doesn't sound so bad, it costs Apple $186 to make an iPhone, it would now cost them $200, which they turn around and sell for $600+.

They are still making $400+ to sell a Mobile Device, and it would be right to pay the inventor of the mobile phone a royalty don't you think? But to date, Apple has refused to pay ANYTHING to Motorola, yet, how many mobile phones have they sold?

If they think $14 is too much to pay for the patent that makes your device a Mobile Phone, how is asking for twice that amount a fair request for trade dress, a patent that Apple should have never been granted in the first place, due to all the prior art?

As we know, Samsung was already working on devices with a rectangular screen and rounded corners, so why should Samsung have to pay Apple for something they were already working on?

If Samsung had agreed to Apple's request, last quarter alone Samsung would've had to pay Apple $1,500,000,000 for making a device with a rectangular screen and rounded corners? I don't think so.

That $1.5 Billion would be for smartphones alone, not counting the $40 per tablet Apple demanded.
Edited by 2010rig - 8/26/12 at 6:10pm
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"Good artists copy, great artists steal and we have always been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas"

- Steve Jobs
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"Good artists copy, great artists steal and we have always been SHAMELESS about stealing great ideas"
- Steve Jobs

Actually he quoted Picasso biggrin.gif
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Pretty much this.

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Cause apple is all about values. Let me tell you.
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Buying technologies is something every company does. And every company copies, to an extent. But Samsung literally tried to make their smartphone(s) look more like the iPhone and that damned them. They deserved to lose, because they did do what they were accused of, and that's their fault. Ultimately the outcome of this was pretty fair. Samsung refused to license Apple's patents relating to multi-touch gestures, and they did copy the iPhone.
I don't have a lot of time right now, but I'll address this point.

Samsung refused to license since Apple wanted $40 per device, which is utterly ridiculous.

Again, I will use Apple's hypocritical ways to illustrate this.

Apple refuses to pay Motorola a royalty for the fundamental patent of a "portable hand-held telephone device".

What is an iPhone again? A "portable hand-held telephone device"

Motorola wants 2.25% of the sale price of each Apple device in which the standard is used. This works out to $14 per device. That doesn't sound so bad, it costs Apple $186 to make an iPhone, it would now cost them $200, which they turn around and sell for $600+.

They are still making $400+ to sell a Mobile Device, and it would be right to pay the inventor of the mobile phone a royalty don't you think? But to date, Apple has refused to pay ANYTHING to Motorola, yet, how many mobile phones have they sold?

If they think $14 is too much to pay for the patent that makes your device a Mobile Phone, how is asking for nearly 3 times that amount a fair request for trade dress, a patent that Apple should have never been granted in the first place, due to all the prior art?
That depends on what they were including in that $40 fee, and whether or not the patents are standards-essential or not. It's certainly quite a bit of money.

The Motorola patent is a FRAND patent, and Apple believes that a 2.25% royalty is too high. They filed several discovery motions to other companies to find out what Motorola charged them. I don't know what's happening with that.
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As we know, Samsung was already working on devices with a rectangular screen and rounded corners, so why should Samsung have to pay Apple for something they were already working on?

If Samsung had agreed to Apple's request, last quarter alone Samsung would've had to pay Apple $2,000,000,000 for making a device with a rectangular screen and rounded corners? I don't think so.
They shouldn't. But they still are violating Apple's other trade dress claims.
Edited by steelbom - 8/25/12 at 10:17pm
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Must youo twist and skew everything that is Apple related?
The case was a victory for design infringement and intellectual property owners everywhere, not just Apple. The reward is a penalty reminding the defendant not to pursue the same course of action again.
Just like a DUI, initial fines and traffic school for first time offenders, the fine and penalty increases and for repeat offenders, but of course according to your logic, fines are all about money. rolleyes.gif

Civil vs criminal. This in no way relates to a DUI and other criminal offenses.
    
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Good for apple I guess lol

Though I still dont really hold interest in Apple products, Im sure this is a big win for serious apple fans I'd imagine
    
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