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Slight necro. Some of the deals are not applicable anymore. So Im currently looking at this. Please check mostly for PSU. If there are any acceptable substitutes or cheaper bundles that would be great to know.

Gaming rig

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ASUS VH232H Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen Full HD 1080p LCD Monitor w/Speakers & HDMI
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Rosewill THOR V2 Gaming ATX Full Tower Computer Case, support up to E-ATX / XL-ATX, come with Four Fans - 1 x Front Red LED ...
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ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
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Galaxy 67NPH6DV5ZJX GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold ((SS-650KM Active PFC F3)) 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD ...
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$179.99 -$40.00 Instant $139.99
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Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
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Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL
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$38.99 $38.99
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Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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$109.99 -$30.00 Instant $79.99
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ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
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$19.99 $19.99
Subtotal: $1,438.90

Changed this to rig. Mostly looking for verification on the PSU. Any cheaper substitutes, bundles or deals would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Edited by AmigoOne - 9/6/12 at 9:54pm
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Hi AmigoOne,

The build has lots of room to improve on value.

That motherboard is not doing any favors to the budget, there are many boards in the $130-200 range that are very well made and feature packed.

1155 supports dual channel, not triple channel memory configurations, either start with a 2x4GB kit (which is plenty for most people), or a 2x8GB kit if you think you'll need more for creation apps.

You can get a higher quality SSD for the same price if you buy it in a combo with a MOBO at newegg.

There are better deals on higher quality PSUs.

Do you have a specific reason for wanting a full tower case? The ATX mid-tower options are typically more budget friendly.

The retail box CPU cooler is fine, however, if you want to overclock, you will need a beefier cooling solution. Pretty much all motherboards these days come with pretty decent on-board sound, sound cards are typically on needed by folks who are using the machine as part of a sound studio or something like that. If you need the machine to connect wirelessly yo the network, you will have to add a wifi card. I suggest Ethernet (found on motherboard) if at all possible though as the network performance over copper is better.


Try this:

MOBO/SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1040757
This is a more desirable SSD, and all the MOBO anyone would ever really need (SLI/CFX 8x8x, monster heatsunk VRMs)

CPU/CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1024226
This will facilitate some pretty decent overclocking. Mount the radiator to the rear fan position on the case, and move the fan that is included with the case to one of the side mount positions (blowing into case).

Case/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1049146
I just picked this case as an example of one of many more cost effective ATX mid-towers. Combo with RAM just helps shave a few dollars.

HD/PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1025483
$30 combo savings is great, but the PSU is also on promo savings, add promo code PCPBTS15 to take off another $16.50. This is a better made PSU for less when you factor in the promo/combo savings. This seagate drive is a single platter 1TB drive. When buying mechanical HDs, platter density should be the top priority, higher density results in lower seek times and higher data rates. I'm not sure which WD blue you are considering specifically (there have been a hand-full of 1TB models), but if you wanted to go with a WD brand drive (nothing wrong with that), it would be wise to make sure to get the WD10EZEX model, as that's the 1TB platter drive with the 64MB cache.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161407
The recent price drops on the AMD side make this a slightly better value IMO. These IceQ models are supposed to really have a lot of OCing headroom.

Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

That's $1092 shipped.


Here's another approach:

MOBO/SSD: same combo as build above, same reasons.

CPU/PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1049534
Combo special $38 off plus $22 off from promo code RWCP2008 effectively buys you this $110 80+ GOLD Superflower made modular unit for $50. (original MSRP $159, see review: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Rosewill/CAPSTONE-750-M/1.html , at this price, it's an absolute "steal" IMO, Quote from Review: "During the full load test we got over-excited and let the ambient inside the hotbox hit 52.5°C! This is a really high temperature at which most units would shut down or even blow up, but the Capstone PSU kept on working normally, delivering full load! This is something we don't see every day and proves that this PSU will tolerate heavy abuse without complaining. Efficiency even at such high operating temperatures is very high and more than worthy of the 80 Plus Gold levels. ") Also, note, that this 750W rated unit, actually has a more powerful 12V rail on it than the 800W rated thermaltake.

Case/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1049340
Here's a full tower case that might be of interest to you, the same promo code from the PSU above actually works on this case, in this combo, cutting $26 off the price, $15 combo savings is also nice.

HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
If you want to go with a WD Blue, make sure to get this more recent model, as it's a 1TB platter drive, if it's available for less elsewhere go for it.

GPU: same as build above

ODD: same as build above (or whatever you can find for cheap).

Skipping the CPU cooler on this build suggestion as that can always be added later down the road.

$1045 shipped, less if the drive is available elsewhere for less.
Edited by mdocod - 8/25/12 at 11:35pm
     
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V DELUXE ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($269.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 12GB (3 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($76.49 @ Amazon)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V+200 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($389.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Azza Solano 1000R ATX Full Tower Case ($87.88 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Thermaltake 800W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ Outlet PC)
Keyboard: SteelSeries 6Gv2 Wired Standard Keyboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1398.27
I already have a monitor and I plan on getting a student discount on Windows 7. I am currently looking for a gaming/daily work rig and looking to be able to handle most things I could throw at it.
My budget is ~1000 for the guts and case of the computer. Things like keyboard, monitor, and software can have a separate budget. I also plan on getting another monitor and run a duel setup at a later time.
I'm currently looking for help to shave down what I currently have to push it back down budget range. Components I'm unsure about are the mobo and power supply. Also do I need a CPU cooler+sound card+ wireless adaptor?
Processor: Fine
Motherboard: Is there a certain reason why you went with the P8Z77-V DELUXE? You can get a lessened version of the P8Z77 series.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=P8z77&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20 Take a look at the LK, it's a lot cheaper and has all of the features you mostly want. Really good deal at the moment.
Memory: Get a dual channel memory, not triple. Go with CORSAIR, G Skill or Kingston HyperX., or the SAMSUNG RAM that everybody praises Preferably 2x4GB (8GB). Need more? Add it later.
Storage: No Comment... Get a better branded and series SSD (Kingston HyperX, Crucial M4, Samsung, etc). Preferably NOT OCZ.
Video Card: Why Gigabyte? Get a Galaxy GTX 670 which is on sale at the moment. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162107 (Currently OOS) Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-GeForce-Express-Graphics-67NPH6DV5ZVX/dp/B007Z33SYK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345959367&sr=8-1&keywords=67NPH6DV5ZVX -- Also OC'd out of the box. Either this or EVGA GTX 670 FTW.
Case: No comment.... find one that you like with good cooling.
Power Supply: 800W is kind of overkill. Preferred brands: Thermaltake, CORSAIR
Optical Drive: No comment... just get a cheap one that gets what youwant done
Keyboard: No comment... find one that you like. I personally use 6Gv2 myself.

CPU Cooler: You can use stock if you want. If you end up not liking stock cooler or it doesn't fulfill your needs then upgrade. I personally recommend Corsair H-Series (H80/H100).
Wireless: Why wireless? Use wired. If you really need to use wireless, then buy one optionally (motherboards with built in WiFi can be more expensive than buying a wireless pci component alone)
Sound Card: Same goes with CPU Cooler.... if it doesn't satisfy your needs, then get it. You don't need it right away. I recommend ASUS Xonar.
Edited by zephiK - 8/25/12 at 10:40pm
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I wanted to full case because I want to keep my options open when I do upgrade in the future. The more parts I can keep and use for another build or upgrade, the better. I also would prefer the Nvidia cards.

In terms of brands for pretty everything except video and CPU I have no idea what is good and what isn't

How long is that PSU+CPU deal going to last for? That's really really good.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837R

I found an open box deal on the MOBO Zephik recommended. The open box deal is really good. But Im worried that it may not come with all the parts I need or it might be DOA or something. I was going to wait for the parts to go on discount and buy slowly before I assemble, so theres a chance I will miss most of the 30 day return windows for a lot of my items. Am I being paranoid or should I worry about it?
Edited by AmigoOne - 8/26/12 at 4:12pm
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First of all I dont understand the point of using PC Part picker or whatever its called cuz it gives u lowest prices on the net but in real ure not actually gonna go to that many sites and individually pick out the part.

But back on topic,
Is there a reason u need 12gb of RAM because for most users 8gb will suffice. I suggest G.Skill Ripjawsx or Samsung RAM.
The motherboard is also a bit overkill. An ASRock Extreme 4 or 6 will do great .
For SSD, I would recommend a Crucial M4 128gb. It is quite fast and reliable.
For the case, the Azza Solano is good for its price but in my opinion its feature lacking. Why would u need full size tower anyways? In all likelihood of u upgrading, the component most likely to be replaced is the GPU, not the CPU or motherboard. In fact, the motherboard would actually be one of the last things to upgrade for me. I think I would rather get a case that has plenty of great features like the Zalman Z11 or the Carbide 300r.
The last thing I would change is the PSU. U wont need 800W even if u add another GPU (not even close to 800 watts) I think a 600W or a 650W will be more than enough
    
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What features would I really need to look for in a case? I don't really care for any designs, only how good the cooling is. What are the chances of me getting a mid tower that I would never have to replace? I pretty much am considering a case to last me forever that I can just keep swapping in new components when I need to upgrade. Is that unrealistic expectation?

Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it.

I currently have these ready in the cart.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB @45.99
ASUS P8Z77-V LK Open box deal @ 102.99
Intel Core i5-3570K w/ Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-750-M 750W combo @ 301.98
with $20 coupon, its at 428.96

Plug and replace with the list I had at OP, its about ~$1092
Edited by AmigoOne - 8/26/12 at 4:27pm
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What features would I really need to look for in a case? I don't really care for any designs, only how good the cooling is. What are the chances of me getting a mid tower that I would never have to replace? I pretty much am considering a case to last me forever that I can just keep swapping in new components when I need to upgrade. Is that unrealistic expectation?

Its not unrealistic. If u look at what EATX and XL-ATX boards have that ATX boards dont, ull realize that most of the features on the E-ATX and XL-ATX board wont be needed for your gaming and daily work needs. So imo, its not needed. A standard ATX case will do just fine. If u look at it this way realistically, the GPU will be the most frequently replaced item ever because in most cases, they are more justifable to be replaced instead of a CPU, motherboard, or RAM. In my case, my current rig will stay with me until university and the thing that I will replace time and time again until then will be the GPU. My i5 is plenty for my gaming. My i5 is plenty for me working.
    
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What features would I really need to look for in a case? I don't really care for any designs, only how good the cooling is. What are the chances of me getting a mid tower that I would never have to replace? I pretty much am considering a case to last me forever that I can just keep swapping in new components when I need to upgrade. Is that unrealistic expectation?
Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it.
I currently have these ready in the cart.
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB @45.99
ASUS P8Z77-V LK Open box deal @ 102.99
Intel Core i5-3570K w/ Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-750-M 750W combo @ 301.98
with $20 coupon, its at 428.96
Plug and replace with the list I had at OP, its about ~$1092

things to look out for in a case are motherboard compatibillty especially if your going to keep the case for a long time
do you need eatx in the case if you plan on using something like an sr2 motherboard you do need it
how many harddrives will it hold
is it watercooling capable
how heavy is the case
what material is it made from a steel or aluminiam case is better than one with plastic in it
position off power supply is it at top or bottom its safer to get one where the psu is on the bottom
how large is the case
how many fans does it hold
has it got a window
    
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things to look out for in a case are motherboard compatibillty especially if your going to keep the case for a long time
do you need eatx in the case if you plan on using something like an sr2 motherboard you do need it
how many harddrives will it hold
is it watercooling capable
how heavy is the case
what material is it made from a steel or aluminiam case is better than one with plastic in it
position off power supply is it at top or bottom its safer to get one where the psu is on the bottom
how large is the case
how many fans does it hold
has it got a window

Lol SR2 is HPTX isnt it? But yes, these things are mostly what I would look for. I would also like to add does it have sufficient cable management.
    
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i5 3570K from microcenter (190)

Asrock extreme 4 z77 (135) from newegg

Case: rosewill thor V2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147053 ( 104 )

Seagate 1TB HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840 ( 90 )

corsair vengeance 1600mhz 9-9-9-24 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144 ( 50 )

Any DVD drive you choose for 20 bucks (they are all pretty much the same) ( 20 )

NZXT 650 watt modular PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817116014 (81- 30 for rebate = 51)

Vertex 4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227791 (110)

Galaxy GTX 670: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162108 (360 after rebate)
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i7 4820K Gigabyte X79 UP4 GTX 660 (waiting for new AMD cards) Samsung green  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster T240HD Coolermaster XT Green switches XFX 1000w Corsair 800D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Naga Epic 2014 edition Razer Vespula Stax Lambda Nova Classic Custom DIY DAC 
AudioAudioOther
300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz 8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz EVGA X99 SR?  AMD 390x 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Linux 16:10 Samsung PLS 4K monitor Corsair RGB keyboard with custom cherry MX supe... EVGA 1600 watt titanium  
CaseMouseAudio
Caselabs Magnum STH10 DIY my own mouse Snell J 3 
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(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4820K Gigabyte X79 UP4 GTX 660 (waiting for new AMD cards) Samsung green  
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Adata SP900  Seagate 2TB hard drive (the power of 1 edition)  Custom WC Loop Linux (various versions) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster T240HD Coolermaster XT Green switches XFX 1000w Corsair 800D 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Naga Epic 2014 edition Razer Vespula Stax Lambda Nova Classic Custom DIY DAC 
AudioAudioOther
300b PP monoblocks Snell J3 NZXT Hue 
CPUCPUMotherboardGraphics
8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz 8 core xeon E6 @ 3.5ghz EVGA X99 SR?  AMD 390x 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveCooling
AMD 390x 128 GB ECC DDR4  1TB PCI-e SSD Custom WC Loop 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Linux 16:10 Samsung PLS 4K monitor Corsair RGB keyboard with custom cherry MX supe... EVGA 1600 watt titanium  
CaseMouseAudio
Caselabs Magnum STH10 DIY my own mouse Snell J 3 
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