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This is true, the original Galaxy S is the one that's the worst iPhone knockoff.

That's where it gets interesting though. You can clearly see that the Galaxy S shares similarities with the iPhone 3gs, however it also looks an awful lot like Samsungs F700. I'm sure Samsung refined their design post iPhone but all of the aesthetic elements that make up the Galaxy S were already present in phones Samsung was already working on including the F700. That is all pre-iPhone.
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Stumbled here from Google. I must say a very lively discussion. Although I do agree after seeing much of the evidence presented. There's no doubt in my mind that Samsung made phones very identical to Apple's.

post evidence...
like i said many fold before that this discussion has become pointless
apple side: OMG SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE I READ THIS WHOLE ARTICLE AND SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE
opposing side: dude, have you seen the f700? apple did not invent the rectangle with rounded edges, phones like that have existed well before iphone was released..blah blah
apple side: NO NO SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE I DONT CARE WHAT YOU JUST SAID I DIDNT SEE ANYTHING SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE THE COURTS SAID IT

really..this is a pointless argument, i've been through most of this thread and honestly ive yet to see anyone on apple's side post evidence(aside from photoshopped galaxy s vs iphone comparison, of which the galaxy s had its aspect ratio and size significantly modified)
 
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Stumbled here from Google. I must say a very lively discussion. Although I do agree after seeing much of the evidence presented. There's no doubt in my mind that Samsung made phones very identical to Apple's.

Now just imagine if we used this logic, and applied it to every market.

Today, we would only have 1 HDTV manufacturer that patented the rectangular wide screen. How many different ways can you make a big screen TV?

Need me to post examples of how ALL HDTV's look pretty much the same?

What about stereo receivers, computer cases, microwaves, refrigerators, cars, stoves, dining room tables, fire places, speakers, chairs, couches, office desks ( I admit, I'm just looking around my house right now ) Need I go on?

Point is, everything I listed above is pretty much standard now, and there are several manufacturers who make the exact same thing, and I don't see them suing each other over the form factor.

Congratulations to Apple for innovating the smartphone, other companies have innovated beyond the iPhone by making it bigger from the 3.5" standard they set, a different OS, more powerful processors, more RAM, LTE, etc., most importantly, they are giving us CHOICES just like in EVERY other industry.
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post evidence...
like i said many fold before that this discussion has become pointless
apple side: OMG SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE I READ THIS WHOLE ARTICLE AND SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE
opposing side: dude, have you seen the f700? apple did not invent the rectangle with rounded edges, phones like that have existed well before iphone was released..blah blah
apple side: NO NO SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE I DONT CARE WHAT YOU JUST SAID I DIDNT SEE ANYTHING SAMSUNG COPIED APPLE THE COURTS SAID IT
really..this is a pointless argument, i've been through most of this thread and honestly ive yet to see anyone on apple's side post evidence(aside from photoshopped galaxy s vs iphone comparison, of which the galaxy s had its aspect ratio and size significantly modified)

"Authored by Samsung’s product engineering team, the document evaluates everything from the home screen to the browser to the built-in apps on both devices. In each case, it comes up with a recommendation on what Samsung should do going forward and in most cases its answer is simple: Make it work more like the iPhone.

In short, the evaluation report makes the case that the Galaxy (identified here as the “S1″) would be better if it behaved more like the iPhone and featured a similar user interface."

SOURCE

It's not just the shape of the phone being similar, it's the sum of a lot of things that add up to a very similar product. And that is the reason THEY JUST LOST A 1 BILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT.
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"Authored by Samsung’s product engineering team, the document evaluates everything from the home screen to the browser to the built-in apps on both devices. In each case, it comes up with a recommendation on what Samsung should do going forward and in most cases its answer is simple: Make it work more like the iPhone.
In short, the evaluation report makes the case that the Galaxy (identified here as the “S1″) would be better if it behaved more like the iPhone and featured a similar user interface."
SOURCE
It's not just the shape of the phone being similar, it's the sum of a lot of things that add up to a very similar product. And that is the reason THEY JUST LOST A 1 BILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT.

All that document proves is how Samsung was improving on a design they already had. If you actually read the document you would see that.

As for losing, they haven't lost anything. Apple isn't going to get a dime. The case is going to be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court, before any verdict is finalized.
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"Authored by Samsung’s product engineering team, the document evaluates everything from the home screen to the browser to the built-in apps on both devices. In each case, it comes up with a recommendation on what Samsung should do going forward and in most cases its answer is simple: Make it work more like the iPhone.

If you can't grasp that all companies especially Apple look to others for inspiration, then nothing anyone here says will ever make a difference.

Did they look at the iPhone for inspiration? Yes.

When Apple created the iPhone Steve Jobs posed the question, what would Sony do?

They even made iPhone mockups with SONY's logo on it.



Conveniently, the judge didn't allow this evidence to be entered into the trial.

Shin Nishibori refused to testify as well:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57482258-38/former-apple-designer-i-wont-testify-at-samsung-trial/

The judge also didn't allow the F700 to be entered into the trial.

Why did the judge refuse such key evidence to be entered into the trial?

We don't know if the outcome could have been different, but if the jury was aware that Apple TOO took inspiration from other companies, if they knew that Samsung TOO had a device with a rectangular screen with rounded corners, the trial could've had a different outcome.

The jury had pretty much made up their mind as noted in one of the interviews, they didn't pay attention to what they were instructed to do that they even fined Samsung on a device they didn't find infringing. doh.gif

When they found one Samsung device had bezels, and was found infringing, they just looked at all phones that had bezels and found them infringing.

If the f700 was allowed in the trial, they would have seen that Samsung ALREADY had a device with bezels.


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That's where it gets interesting though. You can clearly see that the Galaxy S shares similarities with the iPhone 3gs, however it also looks an awful lot like Samsungs F700. I'm sure Samsung refined their design post iPhone but all of the aesthetic elements that make up the Galaxy S were already present in phones Samsung was already working on including the F700. That is all pre-iPhone.

Why wasn't the F700 allowed in court as evidence?
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Now just imagine if we used this logic, and applied it to every market.
Today, we would only have 1 HDTV manufacturer that patented the rectangular wide screen. How many different ways can you make a big screen TV?
Need me to post examples of how ALL HDTV's look pretty much the same?
What about stereo receivers, computer cases, microwaves, refrigerators, cars, stoves, dining room tables, fire places, speakers, chairs, couches, office desks ( I admit, I'm just looking around my house right now ) Need I go on?
Point is, everything I listed above is pretty much standard now, and there are several manufacturers who make the exact same thing, and I don't see them suing each other over the form factor.

I believe that's what FRAND patents are for and that's why all HDTVs can all be the same shape.

I don't think Apple's design is part of a FRAND patent and that's why Samsung got sued for it.

Anyways, it seems like my views aren't very popular here. I'll be on my way now.
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Why does everyone act like there were no tablets before the iPad, or even that there were no proper tablets what were made to use with fingers?

There were MANY Android tablets before the iPad came out, and I remember at least 6 months before Apple ever announced an iPad, everyone was speculating that there would be one, and asking Apple when one would come out.

Now everyone is acting like it was Apple's genius idea, seriously?

edit: This is MUCH more accurate than one of these pictures I've seen in this thread.

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edit: Here is an example of everyone inventing an iPad before Apple.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/apple-tablet-pic-leaked-this-is-the-real-one-we-can-feel-it/
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Not only is the evidence in plain sight, there's internal documents to boot. A jury has already ruled there was an infringement. I guess I'm done arguing with the brick walls, case closed.
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I believe that's what FRAND patents are for and that's why all HDTVs can all be the same shape.
I don't think Apple's design is part of a FRAND patent and that's why Samsung got sued for it.
Anyways, it seems like my views aren't very popular here. I'll be on my way now.

Their has been discussion about blocking the iPhone with FRAND patents on wireless communications, but it hasn't happened yet because the FTC believes it would cause significant harm to U.S. competition, consumers and innovation.

Big brother is watching out for Apple and it is why I think the F700, and Sony iPhone mockups were blocked as evidence.
Edited by BeerPowered - 8/26/12 at 5:29pm
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