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Not sure about the former -- probably by a handle. I frequently correspond with David.

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1. Recently, as in Computex 2012? Quite a long time ago before this thread even started..
2. It's not competing with Aquaero. $40 vs $200 ($140 base screen)
3. Recon is a internet enabled fan controller using Windows Services. Those users who have trouble installing it is because of other programs preventing them from installing the service. In our office machines, we do not jump so many hoops to get it installed, but the instructions are there for people who need to jump.
4. Aquaero was specifically designed for those who watercool, those needing precision data and are willing to pay for it. Probes do the job its intended. If you want to know where one of the big chunks of where cost comes from, lets direct you to two pages:
http://www.cpuid-pro.com/products-system-monitoring-kit.php
http://www.cpuid-pro.com/products-system-information-kit.php

Yes in the scheme of my argument I believe recently encompasses 2012. However I do give you the pricing scales. Maybe Bitfenix isn't as big of a company as I thought it was. I give you props for including a gui included with your product. Still I believe my argument stands, considering that everyone is so bent on pointing out that Aquaero is for watercooling. And not to criticize, but you don't really need a screen when your computer already comes with one.

I suppose I was also ignorant of the fact that manufacturers are not willing to create a product that is reliant on pre-existing freeware to function properly. Still I think the industry is being let down by the still widely accepted notion that your motherboard is responsible for controlling temperatures.

Oh and xbournex, see if you can make the suggestion to develop temperature probes that:

- are specifically designed to couple with their intended targets, and
- tap local power supply outlets, and in turn communicate with the unit wirelessly, so to reduce the cable presence. There's your opening for a deluxe model.
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Yes in the scheme of my argument I believe recently encompasses 2012. However I do give you the pricing scales. Maybe Bitfenix isn't as big of a company as I thought it was. I give you props for including a gui included with your product. Still I believe my argument stands, considering that everyone is so bent on pointing out that Aquaero is for watercooling. And not to criticize, but you don't really need a screen when your computer already comes with one.
I suppose I was also ignorant of the fact that manufacturers are not willing to create a product that is reliant on pre-existing freeware to function properly. Still I think the industry is being let down by the still widely accepted notion that your motherboard is responsible for controlling temperatures.
Oh and xbournex, see if you can make the suggestion to develop temperature probes that:
- are specifically designed to couple with their intended targets, and
- tap local power supply outlets, and in turn communicate with the unit wirelessly, so to reduce the cable presence. There's your opening for a deluxe model.
You need a screen. Users not using windows, or users who do wish to use software, will use the beautiful screen. It's part of the "matching with your case"
Motherboards aren't responsible for controlling temperatures at all. It's the heatsink you use, the fan speed you apply,and the ambient temperatures all factors combined. But that's only after the given voltage you induce. At 1.35V, you could have a CPU running at 80 degrees, or 32. If you say motherboards are responsible for reading temperatures, that's partly correctly. Only if there is a probe, it will work.

Suggestions:
1) Refer to the two links I provided, and that will give you an idea on how much it really costs to be programmed with that. It isn't the hardware that puts Aquaero in that price range. Put the probe on the base of the heatpipes on your CPU cooler/GPU pipes, or other heatsinks and you'll get a reading for the target.
2) Impossible.
Reason:

Simply how your power supply works. AC/DC. You can't transmit any data. The electricity coming from your powerline (AC), to electricity for a molex connector (dc) is very different.
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Right I get it it's expensive to write a program that interacts with standard temperature monitors. Anyway what I meant by "controlling" the temperatures is that in general the motherboard monitors temperatures and controls the speed of inbuilt PWMs that in turn control fan speed.

And it is possible. I'm proposing thermal probes designed with adapters that tap the connection between the cooled device (processor, video card, hard drives, etc.), and in turn have wireless transmitters that wirelessly transmit the readout back to the unit, wirelessly, not through the power supply. I have no idea how that could possibly work.
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Oh, quiet is he? Thinks me may have set some wheels in motion.
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Right I get it it's expensive to write a program that interacts with standard temperature monitors. Anyway what I meant by "controlling" the temperatures is that in general the motherboard monitors temperatures and controls the speed of inbuilt PWMs that in turn control fan speed.
And it is possible. I'm proposing thermal probes designed with adapters that tap the connection between the cooled device (processor, video card, hard drives, etc.), and in turn have wireless transmitters that wirelessly transmit the readout back to the unit, wirelessly, not through the power supply. I have no idea how that could possibly work.
Where would you connect these adapters? On a macro scale, you're looking at a heat pad sensor placed who knows where with a bulky wifi/bluetooth dongle attached to communicate with a controller.
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Oh, quiet is he? Thinks me may have set some wheels in motion.
Actually, your post ended with "I have no idea how that could possibly work" - Which i'm in the same boat. What adapters? Connected to where? How does it tap? How do I respond when the idea is completely.. bonkers? One one end, you say its possible. The other end, you have no idea how it could possibly work.

The video card itself needs it's own probe built into its PCB. This is the ONLY way to get chip temperatures, and so the ONLY way to read them is with software.
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Where would you connect these adapters? On a macro scale, you're looking at a heat pad sensor placed who knows where with a bulky wifi/bluetooth dongle attached to communicate with a controller.
Actually, your post ended with "I have no idea how that could possibly work" - Which i'm in the same boat. What adapters? Connected to where? How does it tap? How do I respond when the idea is completely.. bonkers? One one end, you say its possible. The other end, you have no idea how it could possibly work.
The video card itself needs it's own probe built into its PCB. This is the ONLY way to get chip temperatures, and so the ONLY way to read them is with software.

The thing you said about sending signals through power supplies is the thing I didn't know the workings of, and modern science agrees with us both on that. I apologize for not using debate-level grammar as I know it's all the rage these days. Here is my best attempt for explaining what I have mentally conceived:

Approximate heat source/fan coherence solution: you take a short one of these, and you install one of these (outfitted with one of these for data relay) in the middle of it. Then you connect it between whatever 4-pin header is powering the fan that cools the heat source which the device is reporting the temperature of (I read that 6 times to make sure it was adequate), and said fan. You do this to consolidate the device's cabling into it's local environment, instead of sending thin wires all over your case. Then outfit your central unit to receive the data, and act accordingly. Someone stop me if the FCC doesn't allow this, and obviously you would use optimized modifications to these examples, but do you get it now?

I suppose you could even go as far as adding a PWM controller to the device to completely remove the need for a cable to connect the central unit directly to any of it's fans, but who really knows as we probably need a hardware engineer to work out the specifics and feasibility.

Now I know you're a hardware rep but please don't come back at me with how it's probably not cost-effective, I don't need my fantastical imaginings to be subjected to a bottom line.

At this point I am just happy if I haven't been blocked by the participants of this thread. But whatever, I can at least use this as an archive of my conception of the idea. I need a job.


edit: for those who's links are broken, here is them in order of appearance:

1. http://www.outletpc.com/xo9432.html?utm_source=xo9432&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=googleproducts&gclid=CPKxv8zeh7MCFUZgMgodZnEAIQ

2. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17294/cab-1052/Aquacomputer_Temperature_Probe_Cable_-_2-Pin_-_70cm_53026.html?tl=g34c137&id=f6MwHUHa

3. http://www.quasarelectronics.co.uk/3051-mmtx-micro-miniature-9v-fm-room-transmitter-bug.htm
Edited by un-midas touch - 10/17/12 at 3:18am
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Approximate heat source/fan coherence solution: you take a short one of these, and you install one of these (outfitted with one of these for data relay) in the middle of it. Then you connect it between whatever 4-pin header is powering the fan that cools the heat source which the device is reporting the temperature of (I read that 6 times to make sure it was adequate), and said fan. You do this to consolidate the device's cabling into it's local environment, instead of sending thin wires all over your case. Then outfit your central unit to receive the data, and act accordingly. Someone stop me if the FCC doesn't allow this, and obviously you would use optimized modifications to these examples, but do you get it now?

Motherboard's 4pin PWM Cable - 1. Ground 2.Voltage 3. RPM 4. PWM signal
In order for 2 pin temperature probes to work, it needs a powered IC chip, which would mean it needs a powered PCB. It would then need another chip to send the signal out as a FM radio signal through the FM transmitter, in numerical value. Somehow, this PCB will have to either get power from the 4 pin pwm cable, which will have a range of voltages from the changing fan so it won't work use a molex/sata power. This would be needed for each transmitters.
This solution actually uses more cabling.
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Ok then 2-pin with PWM controller onboard, so's to get's the consistent voltage it needs.

Name 1 computer part that doesn't have a PCB in it...

edit: cables don't count.

2nd edit: some cases have fan headers fed directly from the power supply. Look aside from the possible size and price issues I think this is one of my better ideas.
Edited by un-midas touch - 10/17/12 at 4:57am
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