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can it be deleted after turning it off?
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Yes, I read that it is NOW, completely optional.
Just like 15 years ago, no smoking signs were all you needed. Then they changed it so that you had to have a separate "section". Then they changed it so that "separate section" had to have it's own air handling system. Then they changed it to no smoking inside. Then they changed it to no smoking in front of buildings.
You get the idea. I've lived way too long to NOT know how things work.
Things are more often done SLOWLY, with incremental changes, that way when you do start to complain (or rather YOU, not me), it's too late.
BTW, I do like the "They are not trying to take over the world." comment. I had to laugh out loud on that one. Did you REALLY say that with a straight face about MICROSOFT?!?!?!

tonguesmiley.gif

Here is some light reading for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
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can it be deleted after turning it off?

There is nothing really to turn off.

It is like the User Account Control settings, you can turn it off and it won't do anything or you can keep it on for added protection.
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Originally Posted by Rubers View Post

This is actually "opt-out" not "opt-in". Since it's enabled by default.
Although, having read this article it doesn't seem at all sinister.
Technically we are both correct on this matter.

If you be an OEM machine some are already fully preinstalled and essentially boot into Windows, I imagine these will have it on be default.

If you are doing a clean install (Or updating from 7) it is only on by default if you use 'Express install', if not you have the option to keep it off before finalizing your install.
Edited by Browncoat - 8/27/12 at 12:25pm
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I didn't realize that OCN was filled with so many paranoid conspiracy theorist types. I've never seen so many people nitpick every facet of a piece of software before.
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tonguesmiley.gif
Here is some light reading for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Oh, I know it well.

Again, I'm a gun owner / motorcyclist in Maryland, I know all too well about slippery slopes.

Not to mention ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
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The boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually. According to contemporary biologists the premise of the story is not literally true; a frog submerged and gradually heated will jump out. However, some 19th-century experiments suggested that the underlying premise is true, provided the heating is sufficiently gradual.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Yes, I read that it is NOW, completely optional.
Just like 15 years ago, no smoking signs were all you needed. Then they changed it so that you had to have a separate "section". Then they changed it so that "separate section" had to have it's own air handling system. Then they changed it to no smoking inside. Then they changed it to no smoking in front of buildings.
You get the idea. I've lived way too long to NOT know how things work.
Things are more often done SLOWLY, with incremental changes, that way when you do start to complain (or rather YOU, not me), it's too late.
BTW, I do like the "They are not trying to take over the world." comment. I had to laugh out loud on that one. Did you REALLY say that with a straight face about MICROSOFT?!?!?!

Did you really just compare this topic and smoking sections with a straight face?

Last time I checked, Microsoft (not) knowing what programs you use doesn't kill people.

You are way off base.

ALIENS!
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Originally Posted by lordikon View Post

I didn't realize that OCN was filled with so many paranoid conspiracy theorist types. I've never seen so many people nitpick every facet of a piece of software before.

What do you mean?

Are you trying to say that the original news article that has thus been proven to be factually incorrect is NOT reason for me to still be basing my conspiracies on those very same fact-less claims?

What would you have me do? Use facts that exist and apply them in some kind of logical means?

HA!

They're coming for you.
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

Top comment of the comments section:
I almost want to sig this.
Facts > Baseless scaremongering.
Every, time.

I've never agreed with you more.

The number of people in this thread that have fallen victim to FUD is astounding. Don't forget your tinfoil hats on the way out the door.
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Apparently MS see's some gain or they wouldn't have initiated it in the first place.
Like a better user experience* and getting another leg up on malware?

*Smart screen replaces the dialog in Windows 7 and earlier that showed for every downloaded program that it came from the internet. Now it tries to be halfway intelligent about which programs it warns you about.
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And why can't you get it through your head that security has always been a big thing with OS's? OSX's "invulnerability" to viruses was one of the major marketing points Apple made, and now Microsoft isn't allowed to try to make things more secure?

Also, that smoking comparison was just way over the top and not even close. The smoking bans was in the concern of public health safety. I personally hate it whenever someone smokes nearby where I walk (in front of entrances), let alone in the same room.

But I guess you will never buy a smartphone then. Every app you install from the app store has your e-mail address, billing information (except the Google App Store if all you get are free apps), and the exact program you download. The only thing that Microsoft has is your IP address and a hash of a file.

Also, didn't I say that the only thing Microsoft used the hash for is to look for known patterns of a virus present, or known hashes of malicious code? The patterns is only a certain sequence of a few letters in the hash, not the entire thing.
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