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If they don't NEED it and/or it is "worthless", then why have they gone to such great lengths to get it and keep it? Do you honestly believe they spend God knows how many man hours adding this and God knows how much hardware to collect it, "Just because"?
Really?

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall.

It's hard to argue against crazy conspiracy theories based on 'what-ifs'.

All they get are the IP and the filename with hash - this is then used to screen and compare to the other hashes they have on record, if you think that this is all some giant conspiracy to data-mine you, you are crazy.
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post #82 of 88
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Do we have to go through this AGAIN? It's a security measure! Believe it or not, marketing your OS as safer actually does work, and stock security does matter to people.

Yes, I know, I'm an IT Director. But the stone cold reality is that you don't have to do this in order to be secure. This is just a slippery slope IMO.

Put another way ... "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Ben Franklin
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Yes, I know, I'm an IT Director. But the stone cold reality is that you don't have to do this in order to be secure. This is just a slippery slope IMO.
Put another way ... "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Ben Franklin

You act as if giving away meaningless, non-identifiable information is insane.
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"We can confirm that we are not building a historical database of program and user IP data,"

"Like all online services, IP addresses are necessary to connect to our service, but we periodically delete them from our logs. As our privacy statements indicate, we take steps to protect our users’ privacy on the backend. We don’t use this data to identify, contact or target advertising to our users and we don’t share it with third parties."

It is an effective security measure.
It is optional.
The information non-identifiable.
The information is periodically deleted.

These are the facts of the situation and you can't argue against with wild and baseless theories.

And seriously, quit with the completely taken out of context or irrelevant quotes, nobody is giving up their freedom - grow up - meaningless information in no way equates to giving up your freedom.

Totally paranoid.
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Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall.
It's hard to argue against crazy conspiracy theories based on 'what-ifs'.

That's because you're not actually battling an argument, you're arguing against an idea. An idea that has no foundation except for whatever a particular human brain can imagine.

Its like attempting to have a "war" on terrorism. You can't "kill" terrorism in the same way you cant win an argument against someone who never actually had an argument in the first place, given that their argument (or should I say "idea" or "premenition") is not a manifestation of truth since it doesn't actually exist.

You're actually trying to rebutt an argument based on a turn events that hasn't actually happened yet or may never happen. Its actually quite clever when you think about it. They can't lose the debate because they were never actually part of a debate.

Long story short, its probably best not to waste your time unless you enjoy it lol.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 8/27/12 at 4:52pm
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If they don't NEED it and/or it is "worthless", then why have they gone to such great lengths to get it and keep it? Do you honestly believe they spend God knows how many man hours adding this and God knows how much hardware to collect it, "Just because"?
Really?
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Yes, I know, I'm an IT Director. But the stone cold reality is that you don't have to do this in order to be secure. This is just a slippery slope IMO.
Put another way ... "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Ben Franklin
Let me break this down for you, it probably took Microsoft a single day to code this into Windows 8. Remember this guy,

that's been around since Windows XP? Same thing except it now communicates with Microsoft's online threat database. It most likely calculates CRC32 fingerprints and other types of information of the file like size, signature, etc. This information gets sent to Microsofts threat server and is checked against their database, if there is a potential threat from matching criteria. The server sends back the "this one looks suspicious charlie" response to your machine. Which in turn pops up the "This file seems suspicious, run anyways?" messagebox. This alleviates all loads on the computer as calculating these things is very fast and simple. The database can be updated at any time, and millions of users around the world will get that update all at the same time instantly (nothing to download). Its a wise approach on Microsoft's behalf, as this kind of technology will kill off the AntiVirus market (which shouldn't even exist in the first place!). I don't see how you can make every good topic you post in, out to be the worst horrible imaginable concept ever. So what Microsoft knows I installed Google Chrome, big deal.
Edited by Warmonger - 8/27/12 at 5:16pm
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that's been around since Windows XP? Same thing except it now communicates with Microsoft's online threat database.

Yeah, and it's that "except it now" part is a HUGE difference.
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Yeah, and it's that "except it now" part is a HUGE difference.
You are free to turn it on/off while installing Windows. Or turn it on/off from the control center within Windows. Where is the problem?
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Yes, I know, I'm an IT Director. But the stone cold reality is that you don't have to do this in order to be secure. This is just a slippery slope IMO.
Put another way ... "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." - Ben Franklin

Except we are trading only a very small part of our freedom for permanent security should we choose to use it. That quote has no relevance here at all.

The quote is stating as if you're asking a soldier to stay by your side and watch your every move to make sure you stay safe. This is not equivalent to that at all.
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