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Try looking around in the BIOS of your mobo and see what options you have, from what I know H-series arent Overclock friendly. However you may still have some options without having to spend money.

The profit margin from OCing a cpu would be pretty high, but you'd need to see what you can do with that motherboard first
    
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Originally Posted by eXXon View Post

yes we're all bastards for answering a thread without giving the OP the 3rd degree, but hey, nice to see a Senior Mod call in and tell us we're all wrong for participating.

There's no need to resort to hyperbole here. I didn't call you bastards, nor did I tell anyone they're wrong for participating, nor did I imply you needed to give the OP the '3rd degree' rolleyes.gif

I said it's not possible to answer the question without knowing what the rig is used for. You HAVE to know this to give a CORRECT answer. It's that simple. Without knowing that, you might as well just tell someone to upgrade every hardware component of their PC, because any answer in terms of particular parts you'd choose are just as valid (or invalid) as any other.
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Whelp.
I haven't checked back in 24 hours, and this is what I return to?
As per brettjv's suggestion, I will clarify. The rig is being used pretty much nothing but gaming. I originally posted this because I noticed in CPU intensive games (IE skyrim), I would be getting fps dips down to 40fps while my GPU usage was sitting at only 50 or 60 percent.

Thank you for clarifying thumb.gif
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That is most definitely a cpu bottleneck then. You should overclock your cpu a bit, and go from there

I agree that a CPU bottleneck (and CPU overclocking) is the most logical 'place to start' based on this info, but it is not 100% definitely 'the issue'. There's many other *possible* explanations for the observation of Lower Than Expected FPS + Lower than Expected GPU usage ... but like I say, CPU BN is the most likely/common reason, so it makes sense to start there thumb.gif

Bacon, is your Skyrim totally up to date with patches? If not, you should definitely patch it. The second is ... what other games are you referring to as being 'CPU-Intensive' that you've noticed the issue with? What settings are you running them at?
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Whelp.
I haven't checked back in 24 hours, and this is what I return to?
As per brettjv's suggestion, I will clarify. The rig is being used pretty much nothing but gaming. I originally posted this because I noticed in CPU intensive games (IE skyrim), I would be getting fps dips down to 40fps while my GPU usage was sitting at only 50 or 60 percent.

Make sure your game is up to date. patch 1.6 will significantly decrease CPU resources needed.
I still have slight bottleneck in some cities such as Whiterun and Solitude even at 4.0 GHz.
My GPU usage drop to around 75% in some corners.
At 2.93 GHz I used to get 40-45 fps now I get about 55-60 fps in the same parts @ 4.0 GHz.





65 fps Vs. 49 fps that's about 33% increase in performance eek.gif , using same card and same settings
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yes we're all bastards for answering a thread without giving the OP the 3rd degree, but hey, nice to see a Senior Mod call in and tell us we're all wrong for participating.

And it's a shame since I'm finding myself less inclined to answer questions or help new users.

I still stand behind my first post.
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keep it as is untill you are ready for a full upgrade to either Ivy 1155 or Ivy 2011... otherwise your as good as that platform can give you.

this. keep it as is, may get a SSD so you can use that for a future build but you will be better off with a whole new rig on a whole other platform when the time comes
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I read the posts but I didn't get where he gets Bottlenecked ? To actually see if your system is really underperforming, you want to read 660TI reviews and run a tested game with the same settings and see what fps you get. Then determine what cpu they used and compare it to your cpu.
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And it's a shame since I'm finding myself less inclined to answer questions or help new users.
I still stand behind my first post.

I didn't mean to make you feel like you shouldn't help people dude smile.gif

Understand that I've been on a 4.5 year long crusade on this site to try to get everyone to understand that you can't just look at hardware and make a determination about bottlenecks.

Damn near everyday you see someone post something along the lines of "I have X GPU and Y CPU ... will Y bottleneck X?" ... and then you get a bunch of people chiming in with "Yes, because ... " and "No WAY MAN!!!" type of answers. And this gets under my skin, every time ... if you searched this site you'd find literally 100+ times where I've pointed out that you CANNOT make this determination based on hardware alone. You also have to consider what game/bench/app is being run, what settings it's running at, and even what the meaning of 'bottleneck' is to the person who asking the question ... because there's no universally-accepted definition.

My point is to educate here ... and the lesson is this: bottlenecks are not intrinsic to hardware, they only exist within the context of the application that being run on the hardware. Ergo, it's not possible to answer questions about bottlenecking w/o knowing what application is being run.

Believe me ... you're just the latest of many hundreds of people to receive admonishment from me on this particular topic wink.gif
    
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I didn't mean to make you feel like you shouldn't help people dude smile.gif
Understand that I've been on a 4.5 year long crusade on this site to try to get everyone to understand that you can't just look at hardware and make a determination about bottlenecks.
Damn near everyday you see someone post something along the lines of "I have X GPU and Y CPU ... will Y bottleneck X?" ... and then you get a bunch of people chiming in with "Yes, because ... " and "No WAY MAN!!!" type of answers. And this gets under my skin, every time ... if you searched this site you'd find literally 100+ times where I've pointed out that you CANNOT make this determination based on hardware alone. You also have to consider what game/bench/app is being run, what settings it's running at, and even what the meaning of 'bottleneck' is to the person who asking the question ... because there's no universally-accepted definition.
My point is to educate here ... and the lesson is this: bottlenecks are not intrinsic to hardware, they only exist within the context of the application that being run on the hardware. Ergo, it's not possible to answer questions about bottlenecking w/o knowing what application is being run.
Believe me ... you're just the latest of many hundreds of people to receive admonishment from me on this particular topic wink.gif

yeah this guy is good..take his word with confidence.
.but if your looking for load times your hdd is your bottle neck other than that i cant say because you haven't quite told us the whole story
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I didn't mean to make you feel like you shouldn't help people dude smile.gif
Understand that I've been on a 4.5 year long crusade on this site to try to get everyone to understand that you can't just look at hardware and make a determination about bottlenecks.
Damn near everyday you see someone post something along the lines of "I have X GPU and Y CPU ... will Y bottleneck X?" ... and then you get a bunch of people chiming in with "Yes, because ... " and "No WAY MAN!!!" type of answers. And this gets under my skin, every time ... if you searched this site you'd find literally 100+ times where I've pointed out that you CANNOT make this determination based on hardware alone. You also have to consider what game/bench/app is being run, what settings it's running at, and even what the meaning of 'bottleneck' is to the person who asking the question ... because there's no universally-accepted definition.
My point is to educate here ... and the lesson is this: bottlenecks are not intrinsic to hardware, they only exist within the context of the application that being run on the hardware. Ergo, it's not possible to answer questions about bottlenecking w/o knowing what application is being run.
Believe me ... you're just the latest of many hundreds of people to receive admonishment from me on this particular topic wink.gif

If you dig up my bottleneck thread posts you'll find me saying the same thing. This guy is a gamer though and has some pretty obvious weak points in his system, not someone with a 2600K@4.6 asking if his GTX 660 is bottlenecked.

For the most part, bottleneck threads are a bunch of nonsense since everyone's PC has mutliple bottlenecks inherintly depending on the app being processed, and by definition you can't have a system with no bottlenecks. Those threads IMO may as well be locked. This guy has real issues, and chastizing people for trying to help him (there were only a few people helping here, it wasn't filled with "a bunch of people) is going to hurt in the long run, as people like me who can actually give good advice won't care to take the time.
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