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4. Windows X versus OpenOffice/LibreOffice compatibility is not only my kids problem. I run Linux on my home desktop (except when I am gaming) and I run Win in the office. I have had numerous compatibility issues between Office 10 and Libre Office, most of which are documented on the LibreOffice web site claiming that MS did not implement the open standard correctly with workaround to go back to Office 2000 compatibility mode to be able to exchange files. My kid doesn't have time to screw with that, he needs to know he is turning in work his teachers will be able to read in the Office 10 format specified.
5. Gimp vs Photo Shop, maybe my wife's problem but Gimp seems to be a bit more difficult to work with to me too. As for Quicken versus open source equivalents, it comes down to interfaces to financial interfaces that work and are supported.

Those problems you're having are part of the vicious circle of Gnu/Linux...no one ports/codes things for Gnu/Linux because "no one" use Gnu/Linux and therefore no one uses Gnu/Linux because no one ports/codes for it.

That said...when did saving a doc to an odt no longer become cross compatible? I might have missed that and at my school...with LibreOffice 3.6 I haven't noticed even the .docx problems I had in the past. PS: Office10 works find with odt and the rest of the open standard.
     
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That said...when did saving a doc to an odt no longer become cross compatible? I might have missed that and at my school...with LibreOffice 3.6 I haven't noticed even the .docx problems I had in the past. PS: Office10 works find with odt and the rest of the open standard.

The problems I have had are with encrypted password protected docs in 2007/2010 format that LibreOffice can not read at all, with the infinite color palette that Office 10 has and converting back and forth, and with macros and pivot tables not converting well. Basic stuff converts fine in both directions. But I haven't tried lately. Still given that Office 2010 student version is $100 and what I pay for tuition, I am not telling the kid to figure out how to make Libre Office work at the risk of missing assignments.
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The problems I have had are with encrypted password protected docs in 2007/2010 format that LibreOffice can not read at all, with the infinite color palette that Office 10 has and converting back and forth, and with macros and pivot tables not converting well. Basic stuff converts fine in both directions. But I haven't tried lately. Still given that Office 2010 student version is $100 and what I pay for tuition, I am not telling the kid to figure out how to make Libre Office work at the risk of missing assignments.

Yeah...I understand. Password locked stuff though is definitely strange for a school. I got 2010 but I haven't really used it. Kind of feel like MS milked me just for the "just in case". But anytime there's a macro...Libre is often screwed.
     
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The thing is, the world really doesn't need Linux and I'm 99.9% sure everything Linux does, OS X can do as well. They are both derivatives of UNIX. Linux is dying anyways and OS X is by far the best OS I've (and a lot of people) have ever used. Replace linux servers with OS X servers and I doubt anything changes except websites probably go down 100x less often.

The funny thing is that XtremeSystems runs off a Mac server and it goes down relatively often, sometimes for over a week.
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I have had numerous compatibility issues between Office 10 and Libre Office, most of which are documented on the LibreOffice web site claiming that MS did not implement the open standard correctly...

This is unfortunately true. Microsoft has pushed the Office Open XML format (which they spearheaded the development of) since Office 2007 but has not yet released a suite than can actually generate standards-compliant documents. Of course real standards aren't as important to users as defacto standards so passing the buck doesn't solve the problem.

FWIW, I think Office 2013 is meant to be standards-compliant.
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Ya'll want proof? How about the fact that OS X has a 1-2% share of the OS market? I mean, all computers with OS X are far more expensive (and the root of jealousy/envy which leads to hate) and the more well-off folks ("the only ones who can afford it", right OCN?) are typically more intelligent with their money and looking for good deals....yet they choose the more expensive computers (Macs). Why is that? Let me guess...they (the ones who make 5-10x more than most of you) are "idiots" or "sheeple" or whatever else you use to describe them in an effort to dismiss their freedom of choice.
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The main issues Linux has are;

Fragmentation.

If there was one "preferred" Linux distro that everyone used as a base then you would have more developers willing to develop software for the Linux platform.

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Linux generally comes across as "free OS free software" In most cases, developers will not create products they cannot sell.

User Base (This is getting better)

There is a general attitude with Linux users that they are more enlightened than other PC users. Many come off as holier then thou to the Windows crowd



If you take a look at Android, they have resolved many of these issues. There is a less fragmented install base, the Google app store provides a monetary incentive to developers, and in my experience, the user base is more then nice with explaining the new features and helping newer users


If you notice, Apple never came into that list
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Yes, but Chrome was just a cloud OS and fully dependent on a 100% internet access to do anything. Since (IIRC) It had no extra functionality over just the Chrome browser, it was redundant.

Chome's changed alot since you've paid attention to it - i can operate with the basics without connection to the internet now thumb.gif The chromebox is a great little HTPC!


(Although it's still a glorified browser - meh)




OT

I've actually started to use Linux and sorta fell in love with it. For every problem I've had (but 1!) there has been a solution that was easy to find, and the one problem that didn't have a solution was fixed via a USB keyboard (i.e not linux fault).

When ever I get my system back, MATE is going to be my desktop of choice with a dual boot to Win7 for gaming purposes when I don't want to play minecraft.
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