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at a time when people counted them down and out (most people considered them a company that only made "clone" chips up to the 486.).

That wasn't a perception. That's what they made. Socket compatible Intel clones.
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post #22 of 297
Hopefully they can just release a cpu that won't HARDcore bottleneck a high-end gpu setup. I mean, why can't they coordinate their cpu's and gpu's a little to offer incentive to own an amd cpu. What kind of company releases a cpu that will bottleneck their own gpus? An 8150 will bottleneck crossfire 7970's, so now Me forced to run Intel + AMD.

Oh well. Intel is king, and looks like it will stay that way for a long time.
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post #23 of 297
Good to hear, it should make for an interesting performance jump, Sony must feel confident it is good enough to use the architecture in the PS4.

They are fixing the flaws Bulldozer has as an architecture, there are now two decoders per module, each one feeding one integer core and also able to work with the fpu. Proof that too much sharing is not such a good idea.

It will be interesting to see what performance per watt and TDP will be for Steamroller. Piledriver is supposedly able to hit the clockspeeds AMD desired for Bulldozer, while improving a little on performance, but the TDP is still way too high for a CPU that has no built-in GPU and no PCIe controller. The FX-4320 will supposedly have a 95w TDP, which, while better than the 125w TDP of the FX-4170, it is still too high, unless they are overinflating real values so that motherboard makers don't skimp on vrms so people can overclock more freely (to make up for performance differences versus Intel).
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he FX-4320 will supposedly have a 95w TDP, which, while better than the 125w TDP of the FX-4170, it is still too high, unless they are overinflating real values so that motherboard makers don't skimp on vrms so people can overclock more freely (to make up for performance differences versus Intel).

I believe this is the case because the Piledriver-based A10-5700 has only a 65w TDP, yet it runs 4 "cores" at 3.4 to 4.0GHz AND has an integrated Radeon HD 7660D at 760MHz with 384 compute units.

To make things even more obvious, the A8-5600K has a 100w TDP even though the only thing it has faster than the A10-5700 is a 200MHz higher stock speed. The CPU turbo is 100MHz less at 3.9GHz and while GPU clock is the same it only has 256 compute units
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That wasn't a perception. That's what they made. Socket compatible Intel clones.

I know this. Nonetheless the Athlon dominated the Pentium 4 when nobody considered AMD relevant. I'm sure it could happen again. Its a long shot but its not impossible.
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I know this. Nonetheless the Athlon dominated the Pentium 4 when nobody considered AMD relevant. I'm sure it could happen again. Its a long shot but its not impossible.

It will take years for amd to catch up.

People talking about pile driver but yet the last pile driver chip ( fx-8350 or 8300 forgot which one ) is probbely going to be a game changer if the benchmarks are true .

I will always think Intel has faster chips but amd is "bang for the buck "

Also is there A app for this website? I'm veiwing the on my HTC desire lol
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OMG, I can't wait for Kaveri!
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Intel bought out Nvidia and Intel began integrating gpu's. IT made AMD looks like dumb. thumb.gif

Correction: Intel tried to buy nVidia, but Jen-Hsun wanted to be CEO, so they bought AMD instead. nVidia went out of business.
     
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It will take years for amd to catch up.
People talking about pile driver but yet the last pile driver chip ( fx-8350 or 8300 forgot which one ) is probbely going to be a game changer if the benchmarks are true .
I will always think Intel has faster chips but amd is "bang for the buck "
Also is there A app for this website? I'm veiwing the on my HTC desire lol

No, the benchmarks leaked so far show Piledriver to be a mild improvement over Bulldozer, and not really a significant threat to SB/IB.

And when Bulldozer was first released, it definitely did not have "bang for the buck." The i5 2500k at $210 was a much better buy than the FX-8150 at $250. It definitely has some bang for buck now, especially with the FX-8120 at $160 (I think that's what it's at), but not really.
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post #29 of 297
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I will always think Intel has faster chips but amd is "bang for the buck "
That's not really their thing anymore because Intel has their i3 lineup in roughly the same price and performance range as AMD.

There's a reason why i5 2500K continues to cost $200+ while FX8150 had dropped to $180, Intel realized that their chips are still faster overall and therefore didn't budge in price even after Bulldozer came out.
There's an insanely large price gap when you go to the LGA2011 chips which all cost $500-$1000+. AMD has no competition at those levels (they haven't had any competition since 2010 with Intel's i7 980X and 990X) so Intel have always been free to charge whatever they like in that sector.

At the low/midrange they simply adjust according to what AMD does (and vice versa) and end up out-selling them anyway, or atleast matching their sales.

AMD CPU's haven't been about the "bang for the buck" for a while now.

I would however agree that AMD GPU's offer some really nice price/performance ratios especially at low/midrange sectors.
Edited by Tippy - 8/28/12 at 5:24pm
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way too early to talk about steamroller.
why? we are already talking about Piledriver thumb.gif
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