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Christ, using what is nearly a 6+ old chipset and only slightly updating it isn't telling enough?

Not really, not that I've seen that many reviews comparing AMD and intel CPUs with dual GPU cards but at least according to this one: http://www.overclock.net/t/1187898/fx-8150-in-multi-gpu-config-a-test-against-6-core-sb-e-how-does-our-bulldozer-fare-benchs-included-have-fun#post_15998052

The CPU held the 6990 back big time.
 
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post #252 of 297
Yeah but a comparison like that is with a CPU that has the important NB stuff on the CPU (INTEL) vs AMD that has the the IMC on CPU and the PCIe controller on the other half which is on the MOBO.

So yes the CPU is holding the card (in AMD's case) back but I am guessing that is because the PCIe controller is on the motherboard so it has longer to wait.....add to that the Intel CPU is far superior.

That test just manages to tell us what we already know..plus an 12 threaded CPU ($589) VS a 8 threaded CPU ($199) isn't really a realistic test, at all.
But well look at the batman test.

Intel average: 70 FPS
AMD average: 61 FPS-$390 for 9 FPS over AMD?

Just Cause 2
Intel average: 151.82
AMD average: 124.80-$390 for 27.02 FPS over AMD

Serious Sam 3
Intel average: 60.1 GPU1: 45% GPU2: 47%
AMD average: 51.2 GPU1: 46% GPU2: 46%- $390 for 8.9 FPS over AMD (it seems to load the GPU's the same either AMD or Intel)

But what I am more concerned with is the use of DX9 as apposed to say DX10/.1 or DX11 where possible.

But not that the chipset is the main cause, but it doesn't help. But that being said we (as a community) will never know until AMD put the entire NB on die with the other goodies.

That is a good test you cited, but to me that just highlights how well a $200 AMD CPU will do against a $589 Intel one. Yeah I know that is weird.
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Core 1200 and memory 1600

Well the graphics score would seem to be about OK, the overall score though is terribad if I'm quite honest.
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That's proven to be something with the chipset and not the CPU, hence why a HD5970 was faster than two HD5870s, or a GTX 590 vs two GTX 570s.

Where was this proven exactly?

And why does it really matter, the end result is still worse performance.

Considering the bottleneck affects many dual graphics card set-ups, but a single card that performs better isn't bottlenecked? Compare two HD5870s to a HD5970, for example, modern AMD CPUs do bottleneck GPUs a little but for the most part its proven the chipset is a bigger bottleneck. (GTX 275 SLI vs a GTX 295, the 275s lose even though the realistic difference is meant to be small) It's also not really due to the PCIe lanes being straight from the CPU to the GPU either, as Intels x58 chipset also had the improved performance.

Because a chipset can be updated easily and cheaply(Assuming it's not the HTT Link), a CPU can't always.
    
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post #254 of 297
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I don't need any back to the future suits, all I need is facts and these are my 3d marks score.

Unfortunately, looking at you score in a vacuum proves nothing. Compare your score to a 2500k with the same GPUS. Big gap.


http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/3800437

http://www.overclock.net/t/884072/post-your-3dmark11-scores/2110
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post #255 of 297
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Unfortunately, looking at you score in a vacuum proves nothing. Compare your score to a 2500k with the same GPUS. Big gap.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/3800437
http://www.overclock.net/t/884072/post-your-3dmark11-scores/2110

Want to ask him if his GPUs are OC'd first? The ones you linked are at 1305/1850. That, from stock, could very well make a 4k point difference.

If you ask nice, I bet he'll tell you what clocks his are at, then you can go find results based on that, instead of trying your very hardest to make Intel look better then they are. It's not like they need your help.


And Stoffie? A link to the 3DMark11 results page would help more than an image, if you would be nice enough to link one.
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post #256 of 297
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Want to ask him if his GPUs are OC'd first? The ones you linked are at 1305/1850. That, from stock, could very well make a 4k point difference.
If you ask nice, I bet he'll tell you what clocks his are at, then you can go find results based on that, instead of trying your very hardest to make Intel look better then they are. It's not like they need your help.
And Stoffie? A link to the 3DMark11 results page would help more than an image, if you would be nice enough to link one.

he said that they're at 1200 core 1600mem.

Also, just take a random 3dm11 score and replace the ID in the url with the one in the screenshot.
 
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then you can go find results based on that, instead of trying your very hardest to make Intel look better then they are. It's not like they need your help.

I didn't try hard at all I goggled "3dmark scores 2500k 7970x2", that's the top result on the overclock thread page that came up.

I already knew what Stoffie's clocks were when I googled it.
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I didn't try hard at all I goggled "3dmark scores 2500k 7970x2", that's the top result on the overclock thread page that came up.
I already knew what Stoffie's clocks were when I googled it.

Well unfortunately the link you gave me is is for a I7 3770k, not really a fair comparison, if you actually do a I5 2500k search in 3d mark you'll notice I beat a lot and I lose a lot but they are within a 1000 points of eachother, the point of my post is that a bulldozer can support 2 gpu's overclocked, I will post a link to a thread I start tonight here showing my scores on a few games.
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I've already done my research and chanting "BULLDOZER IS CRAP BULLDOZER IS CRAP BULLDOZER IS CRAP" won't change anything.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1210060/fx8120-vs-2500k-benchmark-results/0_20
8120 at 4.5GHz, 2500k at 4.4GHz.
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Doubt it'll edge out a 2500k at anything, huh?
To be fair, there are quite a few other tests -- mostly games and poorly threaded workloads -- in which the 2500k won, sometimes by an incredibly large margin. And yes, power consumption is very bad due to the immature process.
Despite that, Bulldozer is nowhere near as horrible as you make it out to be.
This is a legitimate point, though from the standpoint of a consumer as long as it fits their workloads properly there's no issue.

Yea mines at 5.1ghz though. And I did say my 2500k. And a lot of your so called benches show the 8120 overclocked against a not overclock 2500k.
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Someone hasn't been paying attention over the past year or so... many benchmark programs don't report the overclocked speed of Intel's 2500K and defaults to stock. They are both overclocked... 4.5 for FX 4.4 for 2500K.
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