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The sandy bridge die is actually smaller than the trinity. 216mm2 vs 228mm2. The trinity GPU is large in both relative and absolute terms.

While that may be true, part of the performance gains for HD4000 vs HD3000 was because larger portion of the transistor budget went to the graphics part in ivy bridge.

Just like Homeles said
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Intel's simply attacking the problem by throwing more die space and transistors at it. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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While that may be true, part of the performance gains for HD4000 vs HD3000 was because larger portion of the transistor budget went to the graphics part in ivy bridge.

Sure, and Haswell will get a little more die area too. But the GPU is still going to be a second-class citizen on intel CPUs.
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Sure, and Haswell will get a little more die area too. But the GPU is still going to be a second-class citizen on intel CPUs.

True.

But when Haswell comes out I would like to see a detailed comparison between the EUs in HD3000/HD4000/HD5000? same frequency, same EU count, just to see if they are becoming more efficient and/or by how much.
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890fx I got into diggin up info on the memory link. I always left it on auto, but when I went one level deeper. my choices was auto, 16 bit & 8 bit. after wading thru a bunch of wikipedia info I saw this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport#Links_and_rates

I wonder it it is a single 16 bit because the stars core cant handle more than that? or because they have not figure out how to sqeeze in a 32 bit interface?

some where else I seen a thing about the opteron with 4 16bit interfaces, the opteron uses a mobo chipset that is different, maybe the 890/990 only can do one 16 bit only?

I even looked for a opteron workstation board that could handle 2 x HD 7970s, the one I found did not recommend a dual high power video cars because the chipset and cpu current was already stressing the mobo! Must be because of the 64GB of ram installed? 3 HT links for that mobo

If that is true that it may be why there is isnt much difference between1333 and 1866 memory with deneb, thuban & bulldozer. The only thing u can do is make that 16 bit link run faster.

So I see a new socket and chipset in the future for the steamdrooller?
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890fx I got into diggin up info on the memory link. I always left it on auto, but when I went one level deeper. my choices was auto, 16 bit & 8 bit. after wading thru a bunch of wikipedia info I saw this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport#Links_and_rates
I wonder it it is a single 16 bit because the stars core cant handle more than that? or because they have not figure out how to sqeeze in a 32 bit interface?
some where else I seen a thing about the opteron with 4 16bit interfaces, the opteron uses a mobo chipset that is different, maybe the 890/990 only can do one 16 bit only?
I even looked for a opteron workstation board that could handle 2 x HD 7970s, the one I found did not recommend a dual high power video cars because the chipset and cpu current was already stressing the mobo! Must be because of the 64GB of ram installed? 3 HT links for that mobo
If that is true that it may be why there is isnt much difference between1333 and 1866 memory with deneb, thuban & bulldozer. The only thing u can do is make that 16 bit link run faster.
So I see a new socket and chipset in the future for the steamdrooller?

The multisocket Opterons have a bit more silicon in them for the additional links needed for intersocket communication as far as I'm aware - which is disabled for their desktop variants. That is by design as far as I understand as nothing would really stop AMD from releasing the multisocket capable desktop CPU's (would need to use server chipset though) they just want to keep the profit margins in the server segment. Same as Intel.
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FACT: If AMD can make a processor that is superior to the Intel Core i5 2500k I will purchase.
FACT: If AMD released a good product PERIOD I will purchase

So far they haven't been able to do either of those things. Until then I will not waste my time. I'm all about getting the best for my rigs.
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FACT: If AMD can make a processor that is superior to the Intel Core i5 2500k I will purchase.
FACT: If AMD released a good product PERIOD I will purchase

So far they haven't been able to do either of those things. Until then I will not waste my time. I'm all about getting the best for my rigs.

Hi. So we keep recommending the product known as the 7950 why? You say AMD releases nothing good after all.
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Hi. So we keep recommending the product known as the 7950 why? You say AMD releases nothing good after all.

We are discussing the processor department. The graphic division is phenomenal.
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Hi. So we keep recommending the product known as the 7950 why? You say AMD releases nothing good after all.

We are discussing the processor department. The graphic division is phenomenal.

So when you say "better then a 2500k", you mean in gaming, and not in things like... Encoding, where the 2500k gets it's ass beat?

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So when you say "better then a 2500k", you mean in gaming, and not in things like... Encoding, where the 2500k gets it's ass beat? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Have you the graphs for Windows 7? Or just Windows 8?
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