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Also, shouldn't they be compared using the newest services?

I personally think they should be tested on what the majority of people will be using. However, I can see their logic in giving AMD the benefit of the doubt by using Win8. Unfortunately, those same performance patches for BD in Win7 were applied to both Win8, and Win7 via normal updates, giving Win8 no edge over win7.
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FACT: If AMD can make a processor that is superior to the Intel Core i5 2500k I will purchase.
FACT: If AMD released a good product PERIOD I will purchase

So far they haven't been able to do either of those things. Until then I will not waste my time. I'm all about getting the best for my rigs.

I'm sorry, but the FX-8320, FX-4300 and A10-5800K are all good products for budget rigs, you won't notice the difference in CPU performance while gaming between an A10-5800K and the equavalent Intel or even a higher end one like an i5 for the most part but you will notice the faster iGPU whether you use hybrid CFX or just the iGPU.
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There's no difference.

Windows 7 and Windows 8 are completely different OS's architecture wise. They utilize different services to execute tasks making one faster then another, a AMD processor will be able to interact with one better then Intel architecture. Windows 8 has been reported to have faster process execution but lacks in graphical utilization. It's all dependent on the system. But in my experience with AMD they have nothing to show for (processor wise) I love the graphic cards though (even though they just bought the name the original company is still there)

Not really, the measured differences are all within 5% of each other bar a few outliers. To say AMD has nothing to show for processor wise is doing the stereotypical halo effect where because Intel has the fastest, they must have the best budget stuff too, right?
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We are. There is just no difference performance wise between Win7 and Win8.

Do the same test on windows 7 and we will discuss it.

Sure, take your pick of sites that show the exact same result: TechSpot, Guru3D or even Toms Hardware. No matter how you spin it, for video encoders such as myself any 8 core FX is within pissing distance of an 3770k for much less. Considering the amount of actually noticable difference in gaming between an FX-4170 @ 4.5Ghz or an i5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz (ie. Very, very little) I'll take the FX-8320 over the i5 and use the bit of cash I saved for a faster GPU.
    
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Those are Anand benchmarks (as anyone who follows review sites should be able to spot in a heartbeat, they're pretty unique), so I suggest you bring it up with them. However, you're being told, repeatedly, by people with a lot of experience in the field, that it makes no difference. Including people running the OS.
Refusing something to be true doesn't mean it is.
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Also, shouldn't they be compared using the newest services?

Okay, Okay... I will step down, I get it. The newest services is actually correct.
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does this look like a flop : http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2554907 , does this look like a flop:

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i can't wait to get an fx-8350, and when steamroller comes out i'm getting that too, BECAUSE IT WILL BE EPIC!!!: thumb: , band.gif
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i hope that steamroller could beat an i5 then i will change back to amd or if intel stops cpu swap outs
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You've seen the slides everywhere and read through what Josh could observe and predict from those slides but at the end of Hot Chips will still know little more about the core everyone is waiting for. The slides show a core little changed from Bulldozer, which is exactly what we've been expecting as AMD has always described Steamroller as a refined Bulldozer design, improving the existing architecture as opposed to a complete redesign. SemiAccurate did pull out one little gem which might mean good news for both AMD and consumers which pertains to the high density libraries slide. The 30% decrease in size and power consumption seems to have been implemented by simply using the high density libraries that AMD uses for GPUs. As this library already exists, AMD didn't need to spend money to develop it, they essentially managed this 30% improvement with a button press, as SemiAccurate put it. This could well mean that Steamroller will either come out at a comparatively low price or will give AMD higher profit margins ... or a mix of both.






"With that in mind, the HDL slide was rather interesting. AMD is claiming that if you rebuild Bulldozer with an HDL library, the resulting chip has a 30% decrease in size and power use. To AMD at least, this is worth a full shrink, but we only buy that claim if it is 30% smaller and 30% less power hungry, not 30% in aggregate. That said, it is a massive gain with just a button press.

AMD should be applauded, or it would have been, but during the keynote, the one thing that kept going through my mind was, “Why didn’t they do this 5 years ago?”. If you can get 30% from changing out a library to the ones you build your GPUs with, didn’t someone test this out before you decided on layout tools?"
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i hope that steamroller could beat an i5 then i will change back to amd or if intel stops cpu swap outs

The FX-8350 directly competes with the Core i5 3570k. It's actually faster than the 3570k in rendering, encoding, encrypting and decryption.
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