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The E7 looks awesome but considering grabbing an E1 for my iPhone. Anybody ever had experience with it?
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Have some friends come by with their DACs and amps, one at a time sit in the sweet spot and perform some blind tests, you may be surprised.

If the DACs were truly different we would find at least one published article or study with evidence on someplace like here.

Instead we have a wealth of studies that provide evidence suggesting otherwise. We are talking scientifically-controlled DBT with statistically significant sample sizes that end in null (i.e. no difference).

The problem with friendly DBT is that they are frequently not scientifically controlled, at the most basic level being output level. Hotter outputs or louder volume levels often provide the illusion of better sound. Once you have a DBT that removes avoidable variables, you yourself may be surprised.
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Listen to a CDP from the early 90's and then listen to one from today, do they sound the same to you?

People claimed the same thing back in the day about vacuum tubes, cartridges, etc...
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Listen to a CDP from the early 90's and then listen to one from today, do they sound the same to you?
People claimed the same thing back in the day about vacuum tubes, cartridges, etc...

Most of the changes are in the speakers right? Stream encoding has to have changed a bunch also. Maybe I took your comment the wrong way though.
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Most of the changes are in the speakers right? Stream encoding has to have changed a bunch also. Maybe I took your comment the wrong way though.

Yes, there are only differences in transducers as far as historical evidence is concerned; these differences are also measurably different within the threshold of human hearing. Conversely, there has been no evidence suggesting differences in upstream components for the past several decades.

Better with a $200 source and $1000 headphones than a $600 source and $600 headphones (assuming the $1000 headphones suit your tastes better than the $600 headphones do).
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Most of the changes are in the speakers right? Stream encoding has to have changed a bunch also. Maybe I took your comment the wrong way though.

Yes, there are only differences in transducers as far as historical evidence is concerned; these differences are also measurably different within the threshold of human hearing. Conversely, there has been no evidence suggesting differences in upstream components for the past several decades.

Better with a $200 source and $1000 headphones than a $600 source and $600 headphones (assuming the $1000 headphones suit your tastes better than the $600 headphones do).

That's obvious, but that's sort of skipping the point. We're talking about a difference between a 200 dollar dac and a 400 dollar dac. If there's absolutely no difference, then no one should ever buy the 400 dollar DAC.

So, sir, are you suggesting there is no difference between the 200 dollar DAC and the 400 dollar DAC?
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I got the Fiio E7 to use with my old iPod (3rd Gen 20gb) and it works really great. It's got a nice little display, strong volume buttons, and different settings for bass. You can also setup an auto-sleep after a certain amount of time.
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That's obvious, but that's sort of skipping the point. We're talking about a difference between a 200 dollar dac and a 400 dollar dac. If there's absolutely no difference, then no one should ever buy the 400 dollar DAC.
So, sir, are you suggesting there is no difference between the 200 dollar DAC and the 400 dollar DAC?

It depends on the DAC, but a well-designed DAC under $200 can easily be made to best a $400 DAC that has the "audiophile"/"hi-fi" tax added onto it when it comes to fidelity and meaningful (audible) measurements.

I know a fair share of audiophiles who I've tested against the all-mighty scientific DBT who failed. They conceded that they purchased their expensive upstream components for the hi-fi aura and build quality. I used to be one of them.
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That's obvious, but that's sort of skipping the point. We're talking about a difference between a 200 dollar dac and a 400 dollar dac. If there's absolutely no difference, then no one should ever buy the 400 dollar DAC.
So, sir, are you suggesting there is no difference between the 200 dollar DAC and the 400 dollar DAC?

I see what your saying but like you said earlier a lot of companies try to make more money than they should. Also using rarer materials could dramatically increase the price without dramatically increasing the outcome. Really it's all about finding the best bang for your bucks while keeping the quality on par or above "standards". Standards being set by pioneers of the particular industry.

I clearly understand your point though. If all of there prices were based on the same quality to price ratio then of course a more expensive DAC is going to be better. I can tell you right now though that I can find a $400 DAC that isn't as good as a $100 DAC and vice versa.

The hard part when researching and deciding on which device to go is to sift through lies, speculation, and cold hard evidence. If only industries had standards of quality to pricing ratio.
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I got the Fiio E7 to use with my old iPod (3rd Gen 20gb) and it works really great. It's got a nice little display, strong volume buttons, and different settings for bass. You can also setup an auto-sleep after a certain amount of time.

Awesome, I was looking at the E7 also and can't decide whether to go with the E1 or the E7 for my iPhone.
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