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No it's not. God for someone who's got the reputation, I.E. helpful feedback, that you do, you suuuure seem to think that this newcomer is out to start a flame war. Granted I thought it was a troll at first but the initial post said otherwise.
I'll agree that the Macbooks look flawless in design. However, the flip side of that coin shows a few things about the PC world that Apple has yet to really work into their "design". For one, how about a laptop that doesn't get up to 90*C under load even with medicinal tasks like playing an old game. My Alienware has an extreme CPU that's overclocked and it doesn't get that hot, not even after being overclocked up to 3.2GHz. The screen is on par with most Macbooks too, 1920x1200 RGB screen. It's still unparalleled for viewing angles and I got this thing for $900. I'd like to note also, despite my machine not looking super sleek and stylish like something from a 50s adaptation of the "future", which looks really really good mind you, it DOES what it SAYS it can do. I have the graphical power to push my resolution in any task, whether it be for a BluRay or a DX11 game.
That's the biggest difference between two equally priced and sized laptops from either company; being able to drive the resolution without any major slowdowns is in favor of the PC side. And I don't mean just for gaming machines, for workstations too. Laugh if you want but the Dell M4600 and the M6600 are wonderfully made machines and perform brilliantly. It's all in what you want it to be. The Macbook is mainly for everyday tasks whereas the PC is for everything.
The super efficient OS only goes so far when it comes time to pay. If you want a super crazy efficient OS then you can go Linux, but that's a different story. So the options are THERE for PC, which is another point in on itself. Upgrading; you can change most parts of a laptop if you're dedicated enough. Most workstation/gamer machines are built for easy access and easy upgrades and even the lesser, non-gamer, laptops are upgradeable to some extent. CPUs are only soldered into the Panasonic Toughbooks as far as I'm aware these days making that possibility even more-so, provided you can spare some change.
So in the end, the Macbook isn't a bad choice by any means...buuut I wouldn't get a machine with a retina-level display unless it had the graphical horsepower to back it up. It's like trying to run four monitors on one GPU and bragging about it. Rather childish in design if you ask me.

First, you don't have to play games at Retina display's highest resolution, playing Diablo 3 on my Retina MacBook Pro flawlessly and looks great at 1680x1050 with all settings on high. Second, the IPS retina display is far better than any displays on Windows notebooks (can't even compare the Alienware M17x's crappy TN panel to it) Third, excluding the retina MacBook Pro, all components in a MacBook can be upgraded very easily (Memory, HDD/SSD, even adding a second HDD/SSD by taking out the DVD drive).
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i prefer a pc laptop because you can spend $500 and get better gaming out of it than a $1500 mac laptop. obviously i am obviously exaggerating a bit, but i think people will get the point biggrin.gif

Yes that's highly exaggerated. A GT650M + i7 is far better than any $600 notebooks with APUs from AMD.
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First, you don't have to play games at Retina display's highest resolution, playing Diablo 3 on my Retina MacBook Pro flawlessly and looks great at 1680x1050 with all settings on high. Second, the IPS retina display is far better than any displays on Windows notebooks (can't even compare the Alienware M17x's crappy TN panel to it) Third, excluding the retina MacBook Pro, all components in a MacBook can be upgraded very easily (Memory, HDD/SSD, even adding a second HDD/SSD by taking out the DVD drive).

Huh... can't compare eh? You keep telling yourself that. rolleyes.gif The 1920x1200 RGB screen has been said to be one of the best screens to date even today. It's the sole reason why most R2 owners don't upgrade to the new M17x models. It's the same IPS panel that was fitted to their XPS line at the time, so at the dead minimum it's equivalent for quality.

Also, calling it crappy is fairly false. tongue.gif The replacement screen costs around $250-$300 even today, for a refurbished screen, which should inform you of it's current value even after being dropped from the Alienware line roughly two years ago. A new screen will run you around $500.

So again, you're bragging about your amazing retina display panel. What's funnier is that you might have that panel, but you can't push that resolution to play games. That was the entire point for the post you quoted. Your response merely proved me right. Sure you're able to reduce the resolution to play games, but I can do that too, and I guarantee my machine gets better performance in every possible way, battery aside. tongue.gif (I didn't get it for the battery life mind you.)
     
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Huh... can't compare eh? You keep telling yourself that. rolleyes.gif The 1920x1200 RGB screen has been said to be one of the best screens to date even today. It's the sole reason why most R2 owners don't upgrade to the new M17x models. It's the same IPS panel that was fitted to their XPS line at the time, so at the dead minimum it's equivalent for quality.
Also, calling it crappy is fairly false. tongue.gif The replacement screen costs around $250-$300 even today, for a refurbished screen, which should inform you of it's current value even after being dropped from the Alienware line roughly two years ago. A new screen will run you around $500.
So again, you're bragging about your amazing retina display panel. What's funnier is that you might have that panel, but you can't push that resolution to play games. That was the entire point for the post you quoted. Your response merely proved me right. Sure you're able to reduce the resolution to play games, but I can do that too, and I guarantee my machine gets better performance in every possible way, battery aside. tongue.gif (I didn't get it for the battery life mind you.)

That's the difference, I didn't buy my MacBook for games, I have my Sony Vaio Z (external HD6650M via Thunderbolt) and desktop with 2 GTX 680s for it. It's mostly used for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop. Editing videos and photos look amazing on the Retina. And how am I bragging? It is a fact that the retina IPS display is better than any on Windows notebooks.

I also wouldn't want to carry an Alienware to work and be the laughing stock at the office.
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post #24 of 35
Saying a Macbook can play games is like saying a toothbrush can wash your hair.

Captain obvious to the rescue. You don't buy toothbrushes to wash your hair just like you don't buy a Macbook for gaming, yet people always state the obvious. It's beyond me.
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Saying a Macbook can't play games is like saying a toothbrush can't wash your hair.
Captain obvious to the rescue. You don't buy toothbrushes to wash your hair just like you don't buy a Macbook for gaming, yet people always state the obvious. It's beyond me.

Really? Because I can always install Windows on the MacBook to play games if I wanted to but I guess captain obvious here knows that. The fact that people people can't understand that is "beyond me." rolleyes.gif

You do know the retina MacBook Pro comes with an OCed GT650M which is faster than a stock GTX660M correct?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/672830-so-nvidia-gt-650m-gtx-660m-confused.html
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I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just impractical.

So yes, you can dual boot with Windows and play games there. But then you have no control over any system fans like you would in OS X (at least from what I remember with my 2008 MBP), as if Macbooks don't run hot enough under some load anyways.

Back in OS X, the amount of games you can play is quite small compared to Windows (obviously), but it's getting better.
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That's the difference, I didn't buy my MacBook for games, I have my Sony Vaio Z (external HD6650M via Thunderbolt) and desktop with 2 GTX 680s for it. It's mostly used for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop. Editing videos and photos look amazing on the Retina. And how am I bragging? It is a fact that the retina IPS display is better than any on Windows notebooks.
I also wouldn't want to carry an Alienware to work and be the laughing stock at the office.

As opposed to bringing in a MBP and being the laughing stock? Great choice... tongue.gifrolleyes.gif How about bringing a Dell M4600? You know, the laptop meant for those tasks? The ones with the FirePro or Quadro GPUs for around the same amount you buy a MBP for? It would look more professional than a MBP, just sayin'. If you want to bring up the professional side of things, Dell will win that argument too. Guaranteed. After all, you're jabbing at my Dell Alienware...

The $900 price tag was well worth what I get out of this thing and really, it's just pointless for me to argue with someone who uses a MBP and games on a desktop anyway. I guess the only reason I do it is because I can put up a fight and usually win. tongue.gif

EDIT:

Might I inquire as to HOW you know that this... IPS panel is better than any of the current Windows based laptop screens? I've already got one challenger for you, mine. thumb.gif
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I didnt seem to be the laughing stock at work for bring in my m11x r2 :/

Honestly they just like the pretty colors, not many people actually know what a computer is capable of just by looking at it lol, They did however like that I could play pretty recent games on it and how much I got it for, which was 450.
    
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post #29 of 35
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That's just it though, the standard Macbook doesn't have any user-upgrades that are within reach.
Macbook White can easily have RAM, HDD upgradable. They had easier user replaceable batteries even back then.
Consumer 2.5" or SSD in a standard bracket for $100 bucks
8GB DDR3-1333 to 1600 Corsair, Muskin or Kingston Mac memory for 40-50
Seems well within reach biggrin.gif
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As opposed to bringing in a MBP and being the laughing stock? Great choice... tongue.gifrolleyes.gif How about bringing a Dell M4600? You know, the laptop meant for those tasks? The ones with the FirePro or Quadro GPUs for around the same amount you buy a MBP for? It would look more professional than a MBP, just sayin'. If you want to bring up the professional side of things, Dell will win that argument too. Guaranteed. After all, you're jabbing at my Dell Alienware...
Might I inquire as to HOW you know that this... IPS panel is better than any of the current Windows based laptop screens? I've already got one challenger for you, mine. thumb.gif
Not al programs are on Windows. Notably FCP like he mentioned. Plus more studios are going to OSX based workflow so it just comes down to preference and what the person needs.

Do they prefer OSX/Windows? Do you need something with fairly high battery life and portability for the power with the Retina or a monster powerhouse of the m17x/Dell workstation laptops?
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Yes that's highly exaggerated. A GT650M + i7 is far better than any $600 notebooks with APUs from AMD.
alright, a $750-$100 laptop could easily beat a $1500 macbook when it comes to gaming.
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