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So why aren't graphics cards overclocked by default at the factory?
Every chip is different in its maximum clock speed, so overclocking would have to be custom done for each chip, and that would require a lot of manpower.
 
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Every chip is different in its maximum clock speed, so overclocking would have to be custom done for each chip, and that would require a lot of manpower.

So, in your opinion, is there no compelling reason for me not to overclock my 670?
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post #23 of 33
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Every chip is different in its maximum clock speed, so overclocking would have to be custom done for each chip, and that would require a lot of manpower.

this is 100% correct example: I know my card is stable in every single game except bf3 @ +120 core / +525 mem. I just bought battlefield 3 since it was on sale for $16 and my drivers reset with my same oc settings.

It is hard to find the max oc for a 670/680 but there is a great guide on here to help.
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So, in your opinion, is there no compelling reason for me not to overclock my 670?

No reason at all you are leaving performance on the table if you don't oc it. Now that being stated I don't recommend switching the VBIOS on the card for the extra 0-50mhz since it will void your warranty (if it dies with the modded vbios on it and they catch you). As long as you are using stock bios/volts absolutely no reason not to oc it.

Also with the recent price drop of a 7950 it is a better value than a 670. They really do have almost equal performance. At up to $70 cheaper i'd get a 7950 if I was you.

I just noticed you have a gtx 260 now so if you get the 7950 you can use the 260 as a phys x that would be sweet.
Edited by HardwareDecoder - 8/28/12 at 9:38pm
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post #24 of 33
My vote is definitely with the 670 2gb. I recently purchased one myself. The 670 took about an 8% performance decrease compared to the 680, but is $100 cheaper. You would definitely need to run sli if you want 120fps in gw2.
post #25 of 33
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So, in your opinion, is there no compelling reason for me not to overclock my 670?
Well, don't overclock the memory; I'm told that it can cause some serious problems over time, but there is no reason not to overclock the core; it's basically free performance.

Also, it doesn't matter what clock speed it comes from at the factory, but you should look for cards that overclock better; I don't know any off the top of my head.
 
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post #26 of 33
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Well, don't overclock the memory; I'm told that it can cause some serious problems over time, but there is no reason not to overclock the core; it's basically free performance.
Also, it doesn't matter what clock speed it comes from at the factory, but you should look for cards that overclock better; I don't know any off the top of my head.

Who told you that lol?
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post #27 of 33
Just get a 670 2GB, it'll be perfect for what you're talking about doing with it. I recommend either the Gigabyte Windforce 3 or the EVGA FTW model. There's other good ones, but just to keep it simple, those are two great options that a lot of people here own, and have been happy with.

As is mentioned above, the 'stock' clocks are based on an absolute lowest common denominator amongst ALL the chip samples, along with various technical and business concerns. As such, any individual card sample is extremely likely to have *some* room to safely OC.

It's possible to harm a GPU if you overvolt it too much, but a simple overclock at stock voltage cannot hurt your card. The worst possible scenario is that you corrupt open files (such as OS files) by having your computer crash at an inopportune time due to the OC. But this is pretty rare.

While there's no compelling reason NOT to overclock, there's really not a particularly compelling reason TO overclock a 670, either. They don't generally have enough headroom (i.e. the achievable increase in clocks above the stock clock, measured as a %) for you to be able to achieve an OC large enough that you could 'see it' with the naked eye while gaming anyways. OC'ing on the 670 is mostly going to be valuable for 'e-peen' i.e. benching, not for practicality in terms of being able to increase your 'max playable settings'.

There have been other GPU's in history that have enough headroom that you could OC enough to make a visible difference (GTX470 and HD7950 are recent examples), but the 670 is generally relatively close to it's max clocks right out of the box.

As such, you should get one and run it stock for now.

Lastly, spending $40 to have someone install your GPU is a horrible waste of money. It's seriously like a 10 minute job ... 5 minutes to do the hardware part, 5 minutes to do the software part. It's painfully simple to achieve, esp. if you already have a GPU installed so you can see how it's already been done ... there's 11 years old on these boards who do it all the time. You can handle doing it yourself, trust me thumb.gif
    
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post #28 of 33
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Just get a 670 2GB, it'll be perfect for what you're talking about doing with it. I recommend either the Gigabyte Windforce 3 or the EVGA FTW model. There's other good ones, but just to keep it simple, those are two great options that a lot of people here own, and have been happy with.
As is mentioned above, the 'stock' clocks are based on an absolute lowest common denominator amongst ALL the chip samples, along with various technical and business concerns. As such, any individual card sample is extremely likely to have *some* room to safely OC.
It's possible to harm a GPU if you overvolt it too much, but a simple overclock at stock voltage cannot hurt your card. The worst possible scenario is that you corrupt open files (such as OS files) by having your computer crash at an inopportune time due to the OC. But this is pretty rare.
While there's no compelling reason NOT to overclock, there's really not a particularly compelling reason TO overclock a 670, either. They don't generally have enough headroom (i.e. the achievable increase in clocks above the stock clock, measured as a %) for you to be able to achieve an OC large enough that you could 'see it' with the naked eye while gaming anyways. OC'ing on the 670 is mostly going to be valuable for 'e-peen' i.e. benching, not for practicality in terms of being able to increase your 'max playable settings'.
There have been other GPU's in history that have enough headroom that you could OC enough to make a visible difference (GTX470 and HD7950 are recent examples), but the 670 is generally relatively close to it's max clocks right out of the box.
As such, you should get one and run it stock for now.
Lastly, spending $40 to have someone install your GPU is a horrible waste of money. It's seriously like a 10 minute job ... 5 minutes to do the hardware part, 5 minutes to do the software part. It's painfully simple to achieve, esp. if you already have a GPU installed so you can see how it's already been done ... there's 11 years old on these boards who do it all the time. You can handle doing it yourself, trust me thumb.gif

All right, thanks for the help. I ordered the 670 GTX, the EVGA FTW model.

What about my i7 920? It's not overclocked. Is there a compelling reason to overclock it (ie. besides e-peen... like, would I notice any difference?)
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Who told you that lol?
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It's not really just about heat, overclocking memory on GPU's is where issues can arise in the future. What you think is a stable overclock now could eventually turn into an artifacting mess. And in some cases the memory is actually damaged from high stress and will then artifact at stock clocks. And this is without any kind of voltage adjustments.....volt adjustments just bring the inevitable sooner.

People may not believe in what i'm saying but trust me, overclocking GPU memory is just setting yourself up for trouble in the future. The GPU core you can usually get away with, but the memory is very sensitive to stress and could bite you later down the road. I've had several cards where i overclocked in the past and they just died suddenly or artifacted at stock as a result of 24/7 overclocks on them. And this was within 4 to 6months of purchase...

Suffice to say, it's something i'll be avoiding from now on. And i would advise others to do the same.....
 
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post #30 of 33
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While there's no compelling reason NOT to overclock, there's really not a particularly compelling reason TO overclock a 670, either. They don't generally have enough headroom (i.e. the achievable increase in clocks above the stock clock, measured as a %) for you to be able to achieve an OC large enough that you could 'see it' with the naked eye while gaming anyways. OC'ing on the 670 is mostly going to be valuable for 'e-peen' i.e. benching, not for practicality in terms of being able to increase your 'max playable settings'.
There have been other GPU's in history that have enough headroom that you could OC enough to make a visible difference (GTX470 and HD7950 are recent examples), but the 670 is generally relatively close to it's max clocks right out of the box.
As such, you should get one and run it stock for now.
Lastly, spending $40 to have someone install your GPU is a horrible waste of money. It's seriously like a 10 minute job ... 5 minutes to do the hardware part, 5 minutes to do the software part. It's painfully simple to achieve, esp. if you already have a GPU installed so you can see how it's already been done ... there's 11 years old on these boards who do it all the time. You can handle doing it yourself, trust me thumb.gif
You can get about a 10% boost based on what this website tells me, and you might be able to notice that to some degree in game/
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_gtx670/5.htm
 
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