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Intel isn't going after GPGPU performance, even still, they're at least 6 years behind Nvidia in terms of compute. Intel HD 4000 is probably on par with a 96 CUDA core G80.
I think Intel's Xeon Phi team would like to have a word with you...
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Intel isn't going after GPGPU performance, even still, they're at least 6 years behind Nvidia in terms of compute. Intel HD 4000 is probably on par with a 96 CUDA core G80.

Intel HD4000 is an APU, not a GPGPU powerhouse.

This is what's being referred to when people talke about GPGPUesq stuff and Intel: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/many-integrated-core/intel-many-integrated-core-architecture.html

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/high-performance-computing/server-reliability.html
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Why do you start with the premise that they "drop truckloads of cash" like it's an activity from 1920's era mobsters? They INVEST in the success of their company as well as their business partners. That's a good thing, and there's nothing dishonest about it.

I started with that as they have been known to do just that, pay people to use CUDA. Getting something proprietary that you own to be the norm basically ensures you will be top dog even if your not giving the best solution. Thats why I said it wasn't really honest.

Sure its all legit and they did it and it worked, but they aren't "ahead" in these scenarios because they have the better solution, they are there in these cases because they have an unfair advantage. It's hard to get my point across properly here without you thinking I'm calling CUDA's use BS and unfair and monopolistic. I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying they had to use money and influence to get CUDA as a standard which makes them look good, not because their tech may be better for the task, but because the task is designed around their tech.

Yea, I think that about it explains it...
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They'll just have to do better is all. AMD should just emply the previous marketing ploy. If we cant beat them then simply price our product to be more attractive. Im sure not every business needs the fastest possible, just something to fit their needs
    
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"Raw computing performance" or theoreticals are meaningless. The only thing that matter is how actual applications run.
It's true that AMD completely dominates hashing performance, but this is only one area, with fairly limited applications.

This was my point, thank you! thumb.gif



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AMD doesn't support CUDA.

Yes, I realize that. rolleyes.gif
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I started with that as they have been known to do just that, pay people to use CUDA. Getting something proprietary that you own to be the norm basically ensures you will be top dog even if your not giving the best solution. Thats why I said it wasn't really honest.
Sure its all legit and they did it and it worked, but they aren't "ahead" in these scenarios because they have the better solution, they are there in these cases because they have an unfair advantage. It's hard to get my point across properly here without you thinking I'm calling CUDA's use BS and unfair and monopolistic. I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying they had to use money and influence to get CUDA as a standard which makes them look good, not because their tech may be better for the task, but because the task is designed around their tech.
Yea, I think that about it explains it...

Let me ask you some questions:

How good was AMD's OpenCL support, API's, etc, say 3 years ago?

How good was AMD's compute architecture prior to the 7xxx series?

If you were to compare Fermi to the 6900 series, who had the superior GPGPU architecture?

Only reason Nvidia's compute architecture isn't that strong, is simply because they are using GK104, a midrange chip, with FP64 cut to 1/24. The GTX 580 by comparison was at 1/8. Wait 'till GK110 comes out.
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Let me ask you some questions:
How good was AMD's OpenCL support, API's, etc, say 3 years ago?
How good was AMD's compute architecture prior to the 7xxx series?
If you were to compare Fermi to the 6900 series, who had the superior GPGPU architecture?
Only reason Nvidia's compute architecture isn't that strong, is simply because they are using GK104, a midrange chip, with FP64 cut to 1/24. The GTX 580 by comparison was at 1/8. Wait 'till GK110 comes out.

I'll answer your questions with one of my own.
Why do I care?

I ask this of coarse, because I have no clue what that has to do with my post. I think I see what your getting at, but it means you didn't quite get what I was saying, or simply moving off the topic being discussed in the context I posted it.
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I'll answer your questions with one of my own.
Why do I care?
I ask this of coarse, because I have no clue what that has to do with my post. I think I see what your getting at, but it means you didn't quite get what I was saying, or simply moving off the topic being discussed in the context I posted it.

If you don't care, or have a clue, then the points in your post are clearly irrelevant AND un-informed.
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Intel entering the gpgpu market? Intel's hd4000 can't even open up notepad, let alone 3d programs that won't let you even install them.
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Intel entering the gpgpu market? Intel's hd4000 can't even open up notepad, let alone 3d programs that won't let you even install them.
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