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...but CUDA already succeeded. It helped make GPGPU more popular. It's not like NVIDIA does not or will not support OpenGL, C++ AMP, HSA, or other technologies.
What Intel massive push into GPGPU?
Yes, Nvidia did the computing world a massive favor by pushing CUDA + GPGPU so hard. What I am saying is that CUDA will be eventually phased out in something that is vendor agnostic — OpenCL. With AMD, and now Intel making serious pushes into the GPGPU market, it won't be worth the development effort to code for CUDA, assuming OpenCL provides the access that developers need.
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You mean the failed Larrabee... billions spent and years late... and under-delivering.
Xeon Phi's are not even avalaible yet for purchase. I asked our Intel sales and tech reps for prices.... they would not know until Sept.
They are already popping up in the HPC world.

CUDA is definitely the more widely adopted API right now, but its use will decline in favor of OpenCL.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but are these cards more often than not bought for a single purpose?

With gaming cards we expect one card (or multiple similar cards) to play all the games we throw at it. OK, so if you are fixated on one particular game you might buy the card that does beter in that game but for the most part we expect them to be flexible.

With the professional cards you will mostly be buying them to run one or maybe two similar programs. As such of course you are going to choose the card that does best at that application. As someone said previously, for CAD people will buy nVidia cards, for certain media applications AMD cards are better.

Therefore the premise of the article, that AMD can't compete with nVidia, is false: They both compete in different segments of the market.

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Yes, Nvidia did the computing world a massive favor by pushing CUDA + GPGPU so hard. What I am saying is that CUDA will be eventually phased out in something that is vendor agnostic — OpenCL. With AMD, and now Intel making serious pushes into the GPGPU market, it won't be worth the development effort to code for CUDA, assuming OpenCL provides the access that developers need.
They are already popping up in the HPC world.
CUDA is definitely the more widely adopted API right now, but its use will decline in favor of OpenCL.

Yes, CUDA will eventually be phased out but it will be years. This is especially true on large applications that have been already developed with CUDA. They are so complex and large that it will not be worth the effort to move to a more open platform at this time. With development, it is always a case of cost-benefit of upgrade/redeveloping/rewriting now... or later.

Xeon Phi are currently only avaliable to a few special projects and researchers contacted by Intel. Xeon Phi are not avalaible for purchased..... Believe me, I inquired about evaluating one two months ago.

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Correct me if I am wrong, but are these cards more often than not bought for a single purpose?
With gaming cards we expect one card (or multiple similar cards) to play all the games we throw at it. OK, so if you are fixated on one particular game you might buy the card that does beter in that game but for the most part we expect them to be flexible.
With the professional cards you will mostly be buying them to run one or maybe two similar programs. As such of course you are going to choose the card that does best at that application. As someone said previously, for CAD pople will buy nVidia cards, for certain media applications AMD cards are better.
Therefore the premise of the article, that AMD can't compete with nVidia, is false: They both compete in different segments of the market.
You wouldn't buy a tractor to drive down the highway, and you wouldn't buy a Porsche to plough a field.

With HPC, developers are writing custom code usually optimized for a specific platform.

They compete in the same market.... it's just that their different architecture and drivers provide better performance/development in certain areas more than others.
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With HPC, developers are writing custom code usually optimized for a specific platform.
They compete in the same market.... it's just that their different architecture and drivers provide better performance/development in certain areas more than others.

Point taken, I was thinking more about workstation GPUs rather than HPC.
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Point taken, I was thinking more about workstation GPUs rather than HPC.

For workstations, people are more likely to be using vendor tools (like the article is). Drivers have a huge impact on performance here. GCN is a new architecture so AMD driver teams are most likely still gaining experience.
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Interesting

Please stop with these synthetic benchmarks! They are worth nothing.

Here's the real world test and in Maya and Softimage V5900 at 400EUR is as strong as Quadro 5000 at 1500EUR.

http://www.cgchannel.com/2011/10/review-professional-gpus-nvidia-vs-amd-2011/
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Please stop with these synthetic benchmarks! They are worth nothing.
Here's the real world test and in Maya and Softimage V5900 at 400EUR is as strong as Quadro 5000 at 1500EUR.
http://www.cgchannel.com/2011/10/review-professional-gpus-nvidia-vs-amd-2011/

Where did half these numbers even come from? 1500? 400?

Try 900 and 500 buddy.
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Where did half these numbers even come from? 1500? 400?
Try 900 and 500 buddy.

AMD v5900 at 400 EUR http://geizhals.eu/646502
Quadro 5000 at 1500 EUR http://geizhals.eu/554793

Hope it helps, buddy.
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all i have to say is that as a video/3d developer and editor, i will stick with nVidia. AMD always gives me headaches and nvidia seems to "just work" ha ha. and work well.
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AMD v5900 at 400 EUR http://geizhals.eu/646502
Quadro 5000 at 1500 EUR http://geizhals.eu/554793
Hope it helps, buddy.

Your economy is messed up

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195106&Tpk=V5900

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133324

Also that website is wrong as 50% of the stats for the "5000" are actually from the 6000, as well as the picture for it.
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