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Maybe this will help? Now of course this doesn't show overclock potential on the FX but the 4170 is already @ 4.3ghz, most people don't push these past 4.5ghz (or 5.0ghz here @ OCN devil.gif)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+FX-4170+Quad-Core
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3450+%40+3.10GHz

Gotcha. So, I want to look for something with high clock speeds, correct? Cores don't really matter, too much?
post #22 of 31
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I'm not too concerned with overclocking, as.. I don't really know how to. Like I said, I could probably learn pretty quickly. I'm really looking for something that will run games like Guild Wars 2, Crysis, and other such games at max. So, if I wished to overclock, then I should go for the AMD and get really the same or kinda close performance to the 3450?
I don't think the fx 4100 can reach a quad core ivy bridge performance even with liquid nitrogen. (in single threaded with liquid nitrogen, probably)
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Gotcha. So, I want to look for something with high clock speeds, correct? Cores don't really matter, too much?
That's incorrect.
Edited by auraofjason - 8/29/12 at 4:38pm
post #23 of 31
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I don't think the fx 4100 can reach a quad core ivy bridge performance even with liquid nitrogen. (in single threaded with liquid nitrogen, probably)
That's incorrect.

Gotcha. So then.. a 4170 would be a pretty good choice, I assume? Compared to the 3450? I have a friend that can teach overclocking, apparently so that's not much of a problem.
post #24 of 31
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Gotcha. So then.. a 4170 would be a pretty good choice, I assume? Compared to the 3450? I have a friend that can teach overclocking, apparently so that's not much of a problem.
The 4170 is just an overclocked 4100 basically, so no, not a good choice over a quad core ivy bridge (if you have the budget, that is).
This is against a quad core sandy bridge: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0
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Gotcha. So, I want to look for something with high clock speeds, correct? Cores don't really matter, too much?

OIC

I'm going to dumb this down a bit, as I understand it and Hopefully this can make a few things more clear:

Clock speeds are relevant only when comparing the same architecture. In other-words a 4 ghz sandy bridge (i5 2500k) is a little bit slower than a 4.0ghz Ivy Bridge (3570k) This is referred to as IPC (instructions per clock)

Also more cores are only relevant when the software can take advantage. Many programs are only written to take advantage of 1-2 cores. Not only that the FX series are unique in design. Their cores share some resources, so a "4 core" fx 4100 is not as effective as a "4 core" Ivy bridge CPU when all four cores are being utilized (ignoring clock speed for the moment)

Then there are some chips with Hyperthreading (like the i3's or i7's) which can effectively run AS IF they had twice as many cores (windows would show 4 or 8 "cores" respectively)


Confusing? Yup tongue.gif
Edited by LuckySe7ens - 8/29/12 at 4:53pm
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OIC
I'm going to dumb this down a bit, as I understand it and Hopefully this can make a few things more clear:
Clock speeds are relevant only when comparing the same architecture. In other-words a 4 ghz sandy bridge (i5 2500k) is a little bit slower than a 4.0ghz Ivy Bridge (3570k) This is referred to as IPC (instructions per clock)
Also more cores are only relevant when the software can take advantage. Many programs are only written to take advantage of 1-2 cores. Not only that the FX series are unique in design. Their cores share some resources, so a "4 core" fx 4100 is not as effective as a "4 core" Ivy bridge CPU when all four cores are being utilized (ignoring clock speed for the moment)
Then there are some chips with Hyperthreading (like the i3's or i7's) which can effectively run AS IF they had twice as many cores (windows would show 4 or 8 "cores" respectively)
Confusing? Yup tongue.gif

Okay. I get ya now. Sorry. tongue.gif As I said, pretty new to cpu's. I understand a bit more now. Thanks for making it so someone such as I can understand. xD I'll look over some things and hopefully have a clearer choice.

Thanks for the help, it was very much appreciated, sir. smile.gif
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Okay. I get ya now. Sorry. tongue.gif As I said, pretty new to cpu's. I understand a bit more now. Thanks for making it so someone such as I can understand. xD I'll look over some things and hopefully have a clearer choice.
Thanks for the help, it was very much appreciated, sir. smile.gif

Not a problem at all!

That's why this community exists. wink.gif

Personally, I'd clock an FX chip to the moon on that 990fx refurb board with the previously mentioned samsung ram, and the cheapest 120mm cpu cooler I could find, but I enjoy the time spent tweaking settings.
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Not a problem at all!
That's why this community exists. wink.gif
Personally, I'd clock an FX chip to the moon on that 990fx refurb board with the previously mentioned samsung ram, and the cheapest 120mm cpu cooler I could find, but I enjoy the time spent tweaking settings.

Haha, my thoughts, along with some other friends were to go with the FX and attempt to overclock it as much as I could. Apparently it runs most newer games on high/max. So, that, combined with attempting to overclock my first time I think the 4100 is a good choice for me. The i5 3450 looks nice and sexy, but overclocking just sounds awesome.
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Haha, my thoughts, along with some other friends were to go with the FX and attempt to overclock it as much as I could. Apparently it runs most newer games on high/max. So, that, combined with attempting to overclock my first time I think the 4100 is a good choice for me. The i5 3450 looks nice and sexy, but overclocking just sounds awesome.


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One thing to think about is how much you really need that SSD. 128 GB will fill up FAST and you can get more space for cheaper if you're willing to get a HDD while saving a bit of money... which means you could upgrade to that 2500k

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