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Hey guys,

I had a quick question about mainly X79 in general with 2400 MHz memory. I know that is pushing - and I do mean pushing - the limits on X79 and the Sandy Bridge-E IMC.

My question is, how much of it is dependent on the memory and how much of it is dependent on the IMC?

I switched from a 2600K to a 3930K a couple months ago but just have been using the two dual channel kits I was running on my Z68 platform. As many others have figured out, it's causing some problems for me and I'm going to have to eventually update to a binned quad channel kit if I want high speeds - which I do.

I got quite lucky I believe with my 3930K. It has no problem doing 4.8 GHz on the core with +0.015 offset. I could probably even get it to go on +0.010, but because I don't have my final memory in yet I haven't really tuned the overclock.

That said about the core ... I don't know how good the IMC on my chip is. I haven't been able to get my 16GB of Vengeance stable at it's rated 1866 MHz, but I know that is a terrible memory setup for this platform as it's simply not made for it. I have had my eyes on a set of the new Dominator Platinum memory. You can buy a quad channel kit up to 2400 MHz, but I realize with speeds that high there's probably not much chance you're just going to be able to set XMP profile 1 and go.

I guess what I really need to know is ... is there a pretty good chance that even buying the 2400 MHz rated Dominator Platinum will not get me 2400 MHz just due to the limits of the SB-E IMC? If that's the case, then I'll buy the 2133 MHz rated stuff as I think most 3930K's can do that with very quality memory and a little tweaking.

I would just hate to drop $300 on a 16GB kit of 2400 MHz memory and not be able to get it stable no matter what I do. Also, if I were to do that, does anyone have any experience with return and replace from Newegg? Would they let me swap the 2400 kit for the 2133 kit with no restocking fee if it will not work on my machine?

Thanks for the opinions guys!
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Newegg can be very good with RMAs, but it seems like it's become much more of a gamble than it used to be.

I don't have much experience with Corsair Dominator, but I don't believe that they are worth the price. I have the G.Skill Ripjaws Z 2133cl9 16GB 4x4 kit and it's an awesome set of memory and seems to be extremely versatile. Over at TPU, Cadaveca was able to hit over 2400Mhz with pretty tight timings, or can be dropped to 1866 or 1600 with extremely tight timings. He did his testing on a P9X79 Pro (maybe Deluxe?) board, so I am hoping that the Rampage 4 Extreme will allow for maybe a bit more flexibility (which is asking a lot considering). 2133 ram with 9-11-10-28 timings and costs $130 is a steal, especially considering that the memory is guaranteed for life and G.Skill seems to be very loyal to their customers (a friend had one of the 4 sticks of TridentX 2666 16GB kit that wouldn't go above 2400, and G.Skill sent him an entire new kit and told him to keep the first set, that "its the least we can do considering the hassle our memory has caused"; idk how common this happens but I was incredibly impressed, especially when the new memory was shipped via next-day in an anti-static bag surrounded by 2" thick foam pads, with a huge amount of static free packing peanuts). That was what convinced me that I would not be happy with any other make.

Again, I admit I don't know much about Dominator series memory, but it seems to me that Corsair has become a company that relies on its name to sell products at the "consumer level" (Vengeance and XMS) that are subpar to the vast majority of the competition, while charging hundreds more for RAM that really isn't that special outside of the self-induced exclusivity...
   
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Well I'm pretty set on the Dominator line because that's what some of the Asus guys over on Asus' ROG board claim work the best on their boards, but none of them really have any experience with the Dominator Platinum line because it's so new. I guess I'm going off of the assumption that it's at least status quo to the Dominator GT line in terms of quality. It actually is about $10 cheaper for like kits as well.

I probably didn't phrase my question very well. I guess what I'm asking is not so much for specific kit recommendations, but is there a good chance that a particular Sandy Bridge-E chip won't do 2400 MHz regardless of how quality the memory is?

I can see it being one of two ways: either combination of memory and IMC or that they both have to be so good to run a certain speed.

What I mean by that is, it could be possible that a chip with a weaker IMC and very strong memory can reach identical speeds to a chip with a very strong IMC and weaker memory. I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe IMC strength and memory strength are substitutable. Or, it could be that both the IMC on the chip and the memory have to be able to handle 2400 MHz. In that case, they are not substitutable and you are going to have to be lucky with your IMC to pull 2400 MHz no matter how high quality your memory.

I just don't know a lot about memory overclocking and don't know how realistic pulling 2400 MHz is regardless of memory quality.
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A little off topic and not sure how true this is but, I've read that Intel has been refusing the warranty on this cpu because people are running OC memory. I don't know how they would even know but they have stated that the built in controller can't handle the extra load.
Has anyone else heard this? I'm trying to decide on the memory speed for my x79 build. 2133mhz or stay with the rated 1600mhz and OC from there.
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I would imagine you lose the warranty once you overclock the chip unless you buy their performance tuning plan, right? Can't imagine they'd deny warranty for OC'ing memory but not the core.

It's kind of a non issue for me as I bought this chip BNIB from a user online, so I don't have the retail warranty anyways.

I just have random freezes and am about 99% sure it is because of my memory. The ROG boys say they have spent heaps and heaps of time troubleshooting users trying to run dual channel Vengeance kits on their X79 boards. He was pretty shocked I was getting as far as I was with the memory I'm running, so I need to do something.
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From my admittedly limited knowledge, I would think that both the IMC and the RAM would need to be capable of handling the speed for it to work properly. Otherwise, you will likely have to use too much voltage and end up degrading the chip very quickly. Personally, I plan to keep my 3930K in use for the next 5 years or so, and I would much rather run 2133 at "safe" volts than try to push a 24/7 overclock at unsafe volts. The cons immensely outweigh the, what, one pro? To see slightly better benchmark numbers? Even then, with SNB/SNB-E, 2400 offers seemingly minimal benefits, at least compared to 2133, especially when compared to Ivy Bridge. I would suggest getting the 2133 kit, seeing how far it'll go without a significant voltage increase, and keep your chip happy and your mind worry-free smile.gif
   
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Yea, you talked me into it, lol. It's not worth another $70 to get a couple hundred more points in 3DMark while destroying my chip along the way. I think 2133 is doable for most people, so I'll just go with that.

Thanks for your input!
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Intel Core i7-6900K @ 4.3 GHz Asus Rampage V Edition 10 EVGA GTX 980 Ti EVGA GTX 980 Ti 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
32 GB Dominator Platinum SE @ 3200 13-13-13-28-... 512 GB Samsung 950 Pro NVME 1 TB Samsung 850 Pro Corsair H110i GT 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Asus PG278Q Logitech G710+ EVGA 1000 T2 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Corsair 400C Logitech Proteus Core G502 Creative Sound Blaster ZxR Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 
Audio
Audio-technica ATH-ADG1x 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-6600K at 4.8 GHz Asus Maximus VIII Gene EVGA GTX 1070 SC 16 GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400 CL10 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
256 GB Samsung 950 Pro Corsair H100i GTX V2 Windows 10 Enterprise Glossy Asus VG248QE 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
EVGA 750 P2 Corsair 350D Logitech G502 Audio Technica ATH-ADG1x 
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