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Remember how badly the HD4870 destroyed them, though? Sure, it was a little bit slower overall but until nVidia dropped prices like a rock AMD had the upper hand by far. It's a better thing to have faster RAM (eg. GDDR5, GDDR6, higher clocks) than larger memory buses above 256bit/384bit which is why it "failed", more people bought the HD4850 or HD4870 than a GTX 260, 275 or GTX 285 because among other things, the 512bit bus drove board costs through the roof.

GTX260s were among the most sold cards ever... The things still have around 1.2% marketshare according to the steam HW survey, that's about on par with 6950s. Sure the 280s etc. had lower marketshare but so did the 4890. I've got a 4870 in my cupboard, nice little card but it did not outsell the GT200 based cards. 260 still has about twice the marketshare of 4870s.

Dropping prices because of a new release isn't failing though, it's just business as normal. Just look at the 7970 prices pre 680 and then after. NV prices cards high when there's no competition, AMD prices cards high when there's no competition.

Now I'm not saying that 512bit buses are a good idea all in all but to say it failed is a bit silly considering that the cards were still clearly more powerful than their competition. And that has usually been what NV is about, big, powerful single GPUs.
 
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Apparently gt200 vs RV700 happens to be the generation when AMD/ATI surpassed Nvidia in total Graphics market share.

ppl still thinks NV's going with 512bit bus was a brilliant idea? rolleyes.gif
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gtx285 512bit $350 vs HD4890 256bit $250
gtx280 512bit $315 vs HD4870 256bit $190
and this chart is with 1st iteration of driver for 4890.

HD4890 driver is the same as all other HD4000 series. it doesn't matter if it released later. they all get about the same performance optimization.
Why do you compare the GTX 280 & GTX 285 prices to the HD4870/ HD4890. Those cards are not the best bangs for the bucks, those were the fastest cards and AMD failed to compete with them.
If you look at your chart again you will see even a 275 smashed the 4890/4870 at about the same price point as the 4890.

GTX 275 $249 vs HD4890 $249.

Just don't say Nvidia don't do best bang for the buck cards rolleyes.gif .
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Apparently gt200 vs RV700 happens to be the generation when AMD/ATI surpassed Nvidia in total Graphics market share.
ppl still thinks NV's going with 512bit bus was a brilliant idea? rolleyes.gif

Do you, actually, have any idea what you're talking about?

You're like one of those people that think a 7970 is a good idea for a workstation rig, you look at things and take all the wrong gains for the argument and present them.

(EG you're switching gears from "overall performance" then suddenly to "prices were way lower for what you got")
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I love how coherent these conjecture threads are.
I believe the 780 will finally allow complex protein folding to synthesize the neural networks in first generation of Cylons... in which case, I would like to begin preparations to welcome our new Cylon Overlords... since I'll most certainyly buy a 780 biggrin.gif
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Remember how badly the HD4870 destroyed them, though? Sure, it was a little bit slower overall but until nVidia dropped prices like a rock AMD had the upper hand by far. It's a better thing to have faster RAM (eg. GDDR5, GDDR6, higher clocks) than larger memory buses above 256bit/384bit which is why it "failed", more people bought the HD4850 or HD4870 than a GTX 260, 275 or GTX 285 because among other things, the 512bit bus drove board costs through the roof.

GTX260s were among the most sold cards ever... The things still have around 1.2% marketshare according to the steam HW survey, that's about on par with 6950s. Sure the 280s etc. had lower marketshare but so did the 4890. I've got a 4870 in my cupboard, nice little card but it did not outsell the GT200 based cards. 260 still has about twice the marketshare of 4870s.

Dropping prices because of a new release isn't failing though, it's just business as normal. Just look at the 7970 prices pre 680 and then after. NV prices cards high when there's no competition, AMD prices cards high when there's no competition.

Now I'm not saying that 512bit buses are a good idea all in all but to say it failed is a bit silly considering that the cards were still clearly more powerful than their competition. And that has usually been what NV is about, big, powerful single GPUs.

I'd argue that's because the GTX 260 had two models which as far as I can tell aren't counted separately on the Hardware Survey (Core 216 and the normal 192 core one) plus it would also have aged better due to being faster than its competition.

Unfortunately, that bug that pretty much prevented the hwsurvey from going on new computers pretty much renders the data from 2008-2009 unreliable.
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A gpu that cost over $1000 is pointless in todays market when so many other cheaper cards can max out all games. The only ppl buying a card over $1000 are rich losers needing the power for ultra high resolutions. Those buyers are probably less than 1% of the pc gaming community. If Nvidia knows these guys will pay anything for these rediculous cards they can charge any amount.

Seriously what kind of social reject would spend over $1000 TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES LOL
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A gpu that cost over $1000 is pointless in todays market when so many other cheaper cards can max out all games. The only ppl buying a card over $1000 are rich losers needing the power for ultra high resolutions. Those buyers are probably less than 1% of the pc gaming community. If Nvidia knows these guys will pay anything for these rediculous cards they can charge any amount.
Seriously what kind of social reject would spend over $1000 TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES LOL

I would LOL! i think many of us on OCN would, wink.gif
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i think i will swap my 570 for a 780. biggrin.gif
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I think I'll wait for this to replace my gtx 560ti, here's to hoping that crisis 3 will push the gtx 780 to its limit's. I hope it's $500, and not $700 or worse $1000.
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