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I might try this mod on my gtx 750ti using my old gigabyte gt210
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Originally Posted by tabascosauz View Post

What do caps have to do with anything? Maxwell is efficient. Also, the fan is tiny and half of it hangs off the PCB (on both the original intended card or the new card).

My though was that cheap caps would have a highly reduced lifetime under such thermal stress.
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93° is toasty, but the GPU will survive it. If the caps on the card are of high quality, they'll last more than long enough, too. You'd have to take a look at them to be 100% sure, but it will probably be fine. I'd personally prefer the fan to spin a bit faster to get lower temps, though. There could be two reasons why it doesn't: either the card will never output even close to 12V because it was optimised for the stock fans which don't need to spin at full RPM, or the PWM fan you got now will not go above 68% without PWM input.
Either way, very cool mod!

Correction, the fan gets up to 73% at 94°C before slowing to 68% once "cooling" to 93°C. I'm going to play with it in Afterburner since I haven't touched anything in the software side of things yet, just hardware. You're probably right that it's using the stock fan curve. I'm just glad that it's in equilibrium somewhere and not throttling! biggrin.gif It's been running Asteroids all night with no signs of any issues so I'm not too worried. 1020MHz sustained at 94°C for about 12 hours is pretty good in my opinion.

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It doesn't appear to be a Quadro 600, which is a GF109 card and really is ancient. The HP Quadro 600 has a different cooler and what appears to be a better fan and heatsink. The Quadro K600 is the one with the puny fan that isn't really on top of the heatsink; that's a GK107 card with 50% cut. It really is quite a shame that the fan on it is so small and poorly designed, but 50% GK107 actually draws a little less power than 60% GM107, so the heatsink looks like it was designed with that in mind.

I looked on Newegg and saw that the mounting holes for the Quadro K620 (GM107) appear to be the same as that of the K600 (GK107), so naturally I wondered, assuming the hole spacing was actually the same, what a K620 cooler might have done for your card (of course, K620 is also more expensive). And to be fair, reference 290X have survived temperatures of 94°C so I think you'll be fine for the time being. Could MX-4 do a better job than that ceramic TIM? I've heard not-so-good things about that one before, about how long it takes for temperatures to settle down.

Edit: OOps my bad, it definitely is a Quadro 600. And that card's TDP is also lower than GM107 parts. Hmmm. Maybe mounting holes for GF109 LP = GK107 = GM107?

Explain why my K600 has a GF108 die on it! Checkmate atheists. tongue.gif (To be fair I never took a picture of the cleaned dies of either - my bad!) Honestly, I'm not entirely sure any K-series Quadro would be much better. Their coolers don't look to be much larger, but the cheapest K600 I saw was more than twice as much as the typical 600s. Now, if they use copper, then we might be onto something. This one is just solid aluminium.

Could MX-4 do better? Almost certainly. Am I going to go out, buy some, and reapply it? Probably not. One, I'm cheap, two, I'm lazy, and three, no BSODs yet! drunken.gif I haven't touched the fan curve at all either and I'm sure that's part of it. I'm thinking ~40% speed up to 60­°C or so, and then gradually increasing to 100% once it starts boiling water.

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Originally Posted by Jimbags View Post

I might try this mod on my gtx 750ti using my old gigabyte gt210

Using the center of the screws as vertices, you should see a rectangle approximately 41mm x 23mm. If it's off by a little, don't worry too much - either I measured it slightly off or you did. But some of the LP GT 210s on Ebay appear to have ~60mm x ~30mm or something like that. Massive spacing for such a small card.


EDIT: Here's the stock fan curve. I don't think it works too well with a cooler this small...



So I'm off to make that a bit better. Hopefully it'll sustain 80°C or so in Asteroids or a similar compute load.


EDIT 2: doh.gif You moron... That's the custom curve I set for my 280. I'm not sure if the 750Ti is trying to use that too. Good thing I took a screenshot...?


EDIT 3: Oh lovely. I don't think it's even possible to have separate fan curves for separate GPUs. Nice job guys.

EDIT 4: Changing that third pin from 55% @ 90°C to 70% at the same temperature seems to have done it. That, and setting a fan hysteresis (i.e. a small margin or buffer of sorts so changes aren't instant) cut temperatures down to 85°C. That's with the case fans running at just 5V. Cranking them to 7V has minimal impact on temperature or noise, but 12V cuts it to 80°C at the expense of noise. It's white noise so I'm not too worried. If I can find a way to have multiple fan curves then I'll tweak it later, but this seems fine for now. I don't plan on overclocking of course. wink.gif
Edited by CynicalUnicorn - 7/27/15 at 9:00am
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EDIT 4: Changing that third pin from 55% @ 90°C to 70% at the same temperature seems to have done it. That, and setting a fan hysteresis (i.e. a small margin or buffer of sorts so changes aren't instant) cut temperatures down to 85°C. That's with the case fans running at just 5V. Cranking them to 7V has minimal impact on temperature or noise, but 12V cuts it to 80°C at the expense of noise. It's white noise so I'm not too worried. If I can find a way to have multiple fan curves then I'll tweak it later, but this seems fine for now. I don't plan on overclocking of course. wink.gif

Nice! Very good job, those are perfect temps for an aircooled card, even more so for a single slot LP mod.
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My though was that cheap caps would have a highly reduced lifetime under such thermal stress.

These are polys, not lytics. They'll be fine. The 93°C 85°C is limited to the GPU core; the air coming off it feels hot but is nowhere near that temperature. Plus, in the original card and virtually all Nvidia reference cards less powerful than GTX 760, the caps and chokes and mosfets are exposed like that.
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Their coolers don't look to be much larger, but the cheapest K600 I saw was more than twice as much as the typical 600s. Now, if they use copper, then we might be onto something. This one is just solid aluminium.

EDIT 4: Changing that third pin from 55% @ 90°C to 70% at the same temperature seems to have done it. That, and setting a fan hysteresis (i.e. a small margin or buffer of sorts so changes aren't instant) cut temperatures down to 85°C. That's with the case fans running at just 5V. Cranking them to 7V has minimal impact on temperature or noise, but 12V cuts it to 80°C at the expense of noise. It's white noise so I'm not too worried. If I can find a way to have multiple fan curves then I'll tweak it later, but this seems fine for now. I don't plan on overclocking of course. wink.gif

Unfortunately copper also doesn't start appearing in reference designs until GTX 760-performance territory. Damn you, Nvidia! mad.gif Making poor reference cooler designs since GTX 480! Seriously though, I thought that maybe the more expensive cards' bigger fans would be able to push more air thru the fins, but you have a point; the heatsink is too small anyways.

Nice job with the fan curve. 85° is much nicer.
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Posting from phone. You guys better be grateful. mad.gif


Part one. Our three two cards. $150 for the pair. (Refurb and used.)


As expected, the holes have identical spacing. wheee.gif


MSI cooler is a lot beefier though. One thing to notice is that the Quadro has a 4-pin PWM fan while the 750Ti has a two-pin connector. I'm not sure what does what, but I have to assume it's just power and ground.

EDIT: I hate touchscreens. Ok. Part two. This wasn't even meant to be two parts. doh.gif

Anyway. So what we'll do is swap the black wires (ground) and swap the red wire (V+) and yellow wire (+12V). I assume that the 750Ti's fan controller can drive a PWM fan.

...Yeah, funny thing about that. These connectors are fragile. I ended up tearing the ground pin off after sticking it in the plug upside down. Oops. So I just took another unused pin and spliced it into the ground. You don't need anything more than a screwdriver, TIM, and a needle (to remove the fan pins) unless you screw up.




Much less spectacular than I was hoping for, lol. It's just the Quadro with a black PCB and a third video port really.

But it should work. This is the smallest possible 750Ti you can make, methinks. Nvidia low-profile coolers seem to fit perfectly regardless of GPU. I'll take a look at some Kepler options and guesstimate, but I expect a GT 640 to work for example.

Nice, my normal height 750ti has square mounting holes so it can't use that cooler, but if I remove the fan and run it passively, it's slightly thicker than single slot but It'll fit in a singleslot case.
edit: Without the fan and fan shroud, it's thinner than a single slot.

I wouldn't run a gpu at 90+ for long. 85°C is better but the heat will still spread around the case and affect other components.
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I have a low profile bracket from an HD 5450 that should be able to just bolt right up on that card, do you want it? tongue.gif

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It came with two (DVI + HDMI and VGA), but thanks for the offer! Right now I only need it single slot anyway. No low-profile case and such. It looks like that's a pretty standard configuration, and I bet those brackets are largely interchangeable.

And as stupid as it sounds, I actually think this was a good idea. Sure, I could've gone for crossfire for maybe $20 more, and I "upgraded" to a GPU that's worse in every way, and I'm not even sure I can use Nvidia-specific features, but it was fun. biggrin.gif

I also now have a low-profile and/or single-slot GPU that can trade blows with a PS4 whenever I need it. This thing will go in an HTPC or a mobile rig someday, but for now, it's putting the Tri in Triumverate. (Apparently I had this plan ever since upgrading to Intel last year, lol. OP delivered!)
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This might work. Although one is screws. The other is those crappy plastic push pins.


and they both fit the same pci bracket so low profile to the max!
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3770K, @ 4.5 delidded liquid ultra GA-Z77_MX-D3H GTX 1070FE 8Gb Corsair Vengance LP 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
intel 330 ssd  WD Caviar black 1Tb WD 2.5 500Gb scorpio black XSPC Raystorm CPU  
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
240mm xspc rad D5 Vario PMP-450 windows 10 PRO Dell u2713hm 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
CM Quickfire Storm Seasonic G series 650W Parvum S2.0 CM sentinel II 
Mouse PadAudio
Strike x desk pad Seinhiser HD 435 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 2600 Asrock H61m-itx Galaxy 750ti slim OC kingston 2x4gb low profile 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
SP 256Gb SSD  western digital black caviar 2Tb Noctua NH-L9i Windows 7 PRO x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
samsung FHD 48 inch logitech wireless with trackpad seasonic G series 650W gold plus UMX-1 plus 
MouseAudio
xbox 360 wireless pioneer reciever + 5.1 surround 
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