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post #1951 of 2831
Anyone knows if there are good pico psu's to power and amd apu? i want a A10-7xxx in a case as small as possible - or are sfx-psu's better for that?
    
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post #1952 of 2831
i for a picobox 160XT that is powering my AMD A10 perfectly fine
post #1953 of 2831
I've got an 80W PicoPSU powering my (downclocked) A10. thumb.gif No fires yet.
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post #1954 of 2831
Thank you smile.gif. found the http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-150-XT - should be enough for a A10-7870K with one SSD and one HDD biggrin.gif. Now i only need a little case like my Chieftec IX-03B - but with enough space for something like the RaiJintek Pallas or another good (and as cheap as possible) cpu cooler - maybe my good old 1.600Mhz RAM is enough for the games i want to play with it.
    
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post #1955 of 2831
i love Lian Li PC-Q21 ,
when it comes to the sale? not available amazon or newegg
post #1956 of 2831
Quote:
Originally Posted by -Leopold- View Post

Thank you smile.gif. found the http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-150-XT - should be enough for a A10-7870K with one SSD and one HDD biggrin.gif. Now i only need a little case like my Chieftec IX-03B - but with enough space for something like the RaiJintek Pallas or another good (and as cheap as possible) cpu cooler - maybe my good old 1.600Mhz RAM is enough for the games i want to play with it.
There is no need for anything above 1600mhz gaming wise. Mainly benchmarks and work that utilises lots of RAM.
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post #1957 of 2831
Uh, yeah there is. DDR3-2400 is something like 30% faster than DDR3-1866 when an APU is used. And I must assume Mr. Leopold is using an APU for graphics, given the case used and the tiny PSU. Source. Quick Google search shows many others that also support that.

Now, if you mean anything past DDR3-1600 is a waste for a standard CPU, then I tend to agree. thumb.gif But for an APU, the additional bandwidth is practically a requirement. He might be able to get away with overclocking it though. Depends on the chips used, though that probably requires removal of the heatspreaders to ID them. Alternatively, a high frequency and a higher-than-normal latency would be fine, since GPUs tend not to care about latency quite as much.
Edited by CynicalUnicorn - 10/18/15 at 7:54pm
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post #1958 of 2831
Indeed, I'd say APUs actually benefit from faster RAM unlike others. 1866 or 2133 and a forced HT of 2000 should give APU users a decent kick even without an overclock.
post #1959 of 2831
Somebody did benchmarks after overclocking the HT bus. A >10% overclock (1800MHz to 2000MHz) resulted in <1% performance increases in the benchmarks. Repeat them enough and it's possible they're not even statisitcally significant. Probably not a priority.

That said I have yet to confirm what the HT bus is used for. Apparently it has something to do with the memory controller? It's unclear.
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post #1960 of 2831
Quote:
Originally Posted by CynicalUnicorn View Post

Uh, yeah there is. DDR3-2400 is something like 30% faster than DDR3-1866 when an APU is used. And I must assume Mr. Leopold is using an APU for graphics, given the case used and the tiny PSU. Source. Quick Google search shows many others that also support that.

Now, if you mean anything past DDR3-1600 is a waste for a standard CPU, then I tend to agree. thumb.gif But for an APU, the additional bandwidth is practically a requirement. He might be able to get away with overclocking it though. Depends on the chips used, though that probably requires removal of the heatspreaders to ID them. Alternatively, a high frequency and a higher-than-normal latency would be fine, since GPUs tend not to care about latency quite as much.
Sorry I stand 'partly' corrected smile.gif
I was think a gaming rig usually has a dedicated gpu. APU's are far from usual. APU is usually a budget compact build. I was thinking more the typical Overclocked i5 with a mid to high end gpu, in this case anything above 1600mhz doesnt yeild much if any extra 'gaming' performance. You could pair an i3 and a 750ti with that psu easily. Which could easily out do an APU build while also running cooler (important in a restricted space sff build
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