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But that's not a tablet? They were notebooks?

Actually, the X line was, and still are, convertible laptops/tablets. The screen turns around and lays flat, with a touch screen and a stylus, thus becoming a tablet.

Example:


They were x86, ran a full OS, and were very popular. The fact you don't believe they were "true" tablets doesn't matter. They are tablets.



For the record, these are far more usable then your idea of a "true tablet". The ipad is a pain to hold (as are all other tablets of the style, I seriously hate apple for making that design the thing to aim for...) and you really can't lay down or even sit with them to read comfortably with one hand. The Thinkpad X's battery sticks out the back, making a very usable grip so that it is easy to hold in one arm and write on it with a stylus, or turn pages with a swipe, whatever. Not to mention it has enough power under it's hood (mid-range Ivy i5, SSD, etc) to actually do something while still pulling in 6 hours of battery on a 6-cell.
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Well, Apple are calling for an all out ban on Samsung's stuff.. Samsung's just returning the favor, considering they're planning on suing Apple exclusively.
What's both hilarious/depressing about this is that if both Samsung and Apple get their way.. They'll both be out of the US market... Oh the irony! Probably why every other smartphone maker out there is staying out of it. wink.gif

Or they could come to a cross licensing agreement, where Apple will be required to stop all their Patent Trolling vs Samsung.
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I know this is OCN.net but the Apple hate goes a little too far.
1) Apple is a US company and Samsung is not. Them winning is good for all US companies as it shows that we are serious about protecting our innovations. You may disagree with the facts but the overarching impact is that innovation will be more secure and that is a good thing as American companies MUST innovate to compete with low-cost competitors overseas. If companies like Samsung think they can simply copy within a few months a product line from an American company, then all US companies are in trouble.
2) Apple products are underpowered for the price. They always have been. Most people will still buy them because Apple products ARE STABLE and EASY TO USE. I have to troubleshoot my PC, android tablet, and Android phone at least a few times a month. Apple devices do not have those kinds of issues for better or worse. For the vast majority of people who use tech casually, the stability and ease of apple products make them superior.
3) I don't see how you can say Apple doesn't innovate. The tablet market is now bigger than the PC market in terms of unit sales. Why is that? Because Steve Jobs saw a niche in the consumption of media and use of the internet that was being unfilled and delivered a compelling device at a good pricepoint. The ipod may have been just another mp3 player but the Iphone and the Ipad were the first "good" devices of their kind.
Don't own Apple products anymore, I am just too much of a power user but I can understand their appeal and their innovative value. I think the main thing to be learned from the patent wars is that our patent system needs a fundamental overhaul to prevent this kind of insane litigousness. A more flexible patent system with regard to fast-moving fields (like cellular tech) would be ideal; something like having a patent last 2-3 years. Enough to pay for innovation and then some while making litigation much less profitable and feasible.

#2 is WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

out of the year and half that i owned my Droid Incredible, i had to troubleshoot it a grand total of one time. and it was flawless. Same thing with my Galaxy Nexus. i have yet to run into a serious problem with the GNex. in fact, i have yet to run into any problems at all. sure, the earlier versions of Android were a little lacking, but that was in the infancy of the OS. with the release of ICS, it got vastly better in smoothness, aesthetics, and stability. then Jellybean improved upon it and literally made it perfect.

I also dont know what PC you have, but you may want to rethink your hardware and software choices and reflect on how you use it, if you have to troubleshoot it a few times a month.


#3: Bill Gates already introduced the tablet, but nobody cared because it was ahead of its time. Apple is shrewd at marketing. the iPad was released in 2010, at a time where the general public was ready for it. Also you seriously cannot say that a $650 dollar iPad is a "good pricepoint" ?!?!?!?!!
 
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#2 is WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
out of the year and half that i owned my Droid Incredible, i had to troubleshoot it a grand total of one time. and it was flawless. Same thing with my Galaxy Nexus. i have yet to run into a serious problem with the GNex. in fact, i have yet to run into any problems at all. sure, the earlier versions of Android were a little lacking, but that was in the infancy of the OS. with the release of ICS, it got vastly better in smoothness, aesthetics, and stability. then Jellybean improved upon it and literally made it perfect.
I also dont know what PC you have, but you may want to rethink your hardware and software choices and reflect on how you use it, if you have to troubleshoot it a few times a month.
#3: Bill Gates already introduced the tablet, but nobody cared because it was ahead of its time. Apple is shrewd at marketing. the iPad was released in 2010, at a time where the general public was ready for it. Also you seriously cannot say that a $650 dollar iPad is a "good pricepoint" ?!?!?!?!!

While I dont disagree on any one point...i have to say it.
umad bro?

OT: while talking to people at work, they all think the iphone and Galaxy look similar.
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But that's not a tablet? They were notebooks?[/quote]
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I suppose, but that's not as good as having an indicator that shows its a tablet app. You have to open each individual app to see it. Curious, can you browse tablet apps only?
You can't, actually.
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Some people are what?
Paranoid.
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True but is that actually going to be able to stop malware or a virus from going askew? Even anti-virus fails on PC sometimes.
Yesh, but there is a lot more malware on PC.
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No it's about $5 I think. If you want to look through the Tegra 3 version and tell me the effects you want to see, I can shoot you a few screenshots from my iPad 3 of those effects.
I don't have a T3 tablet, so could you please look if you have the effects in the link?
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http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/09/04/apple-buys-up-lte-patents-ahead-of-iphone-5-launch-now-controls-434-of-them-vs-samsungs-819/

Apple bought a lot of LTE patents ahead of iPhone 5 launch. Now controls 434 of them vs Samsung’s 819
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But Sammy has licensed them, right? I don't want this to end with cross licensing frown.gif
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http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/09/04/apple-buys-up-lte-patents-ahead-of-iphone-5-launch-now-controls-434-of-them-vs-samsungs-819/
Apple bought a lot of LTE patents ahead of iPhone 5 launch. Now controls 434 of them vs Samsung’s 819
This is VERY INTERESTING! but I wanted samsung, or other patent holders somehow gets iphone 5 banning from sale for good! tongue.gif
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Yep. Apple could be the leader if they let other manufacturers run iOS but then they would make a lot less profit.
No it's about $5 I think. If you want to look through the Tegra 3 version and tell me the effects you want to see, I can shoot you a few screenshots from my iPad 3 of those effects.
I suppose, but that's not as good as having an indicator that shows its a tablet app. You have to open each individual app to see it. Curious, can you browse tablet apps only?
That's not so much what I meant by unpolished. It's hard to explain.
Some people are what?
True but is that actually going to be able to stop malware or a virus from going askew? Even anti-virus fails on PC sometimes.
Ah I see, thanks.
But you'd have to read the description for that. It's more time consuming than having an indicator when you're browsing them.
But that's not a tablet? They were notebooks?

Why wouldn't you read the app description?
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So apple is like every other company and just makes money off hype and idiots who don't do research or want things for epeen sake.
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My sig RE your sig, first lines.
You're assuming I like these patent threads, I do not. They clog up the news feed and all end up the same way. Few read the articles thoroughly, and even fewer read the actual patents. That's why my signature says to visit fosspatents, as it's solid information about these patent law suits.
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Actually, the X line was, and still are, convertible laptops/tablets. The screen turns around and lays flat, with a touch screen and a stylus, thus becoming a tablet.

Example:


They were x86, ran a full OS, and were very popular. The fact you don't believe they were "true" tablets doesn't matter. They are tablets.
The reason I stated they weren't tablets was because I read "line of notebooks" up the top on the Wiki article and then closed the page. Someone else said I was wrong so I had another look and I saw several convertible tablet models.

I don't call them true tablets because they're also a laptop and consequently have all its shortcomings -- weight, thickness and price being of particular note.
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For the record, these are far more usable then your idea of a "true tablet". The ipad is a pain to hold (as are all other tablets of the style, I seriously hate apple for making that design the thing to aim for...) and you really can't lay down or even sit with them to read comfortably with one hand.
How exactly are they far more usable? They're heavier and thicker -- that decreases portability substantially. I can hold my iPad comfortably just fine, whether laying down or sitting or standing up.
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The Thinkpad X's battery sticks out the back, making a very usable grip so that it is easy to hold in one arm and write on it with a stylus, or turn pages with a swipe, whatever. Not to mention it has enough power under it's hood (mid-range Ivy i5, SSD, etc) to actually do something while still pulling in 6 hours of battery on a 6-cell.
Yet it's less portable, has less battery life than the iPad (in any task), and is much more expensive. Again, the reason the iPad took off is it appealed to the mass market -- it was about content consumption, about entertainment... movies, photos, games, music, browsing, etc. It had a great design, great software built for touch, hardware that didn't hinder the experience, it was lightweight, had extremely long battery life, and it had a great price.

The Lenovo tablet has always been heavy, thick, and expensive, it was back in 2006, 2007, 2010, and it still is today. This is true of all x86 tablets, but particularly convertible tablets as they're both a laptop and a tablet.

Just look at price alone: iPad 2 16GB $399, iPad 3 16GB-64GB $499-$699. Lenovo X230 convertible tablet starts at about $1400 and goes up as much as about $1800 for the stock configurations.
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You can't, actually.
Didn't think so.
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Paranoid.
Ah right.
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Yesh, but there is a lot more malware on PC.
I suppose that's true, I don't really know how competent anti-virus on Android is.
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I don't have a T3 tablet, so could you please look if you have the effects in the link?
In the locations I got to I didn't see the flags or the water, but I did see other flags in different locations which were moving like they were being blown by the wind, and I'm sure I've seen water at some point further in the game. That aside though, those effects won't drastically decrease the frame rate. (It's probably all done on the CPU on the Tegra 3.) The iPad 3 is running three times the pixels and very smoothly too. The only time I ever notice any lag is after an explosion (i.e blowing up an explosive container) and you see that ripple effect on the screen.
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Why wouldn't you read the app description?
You would, but if you're looking for an app designed for a tablet then it's quicker to see whether it is or not when you're browsing, rather than going into the app and viewing the description and then going back out again.
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