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All the time I'm reading around "at stock" voltage, or "at stock".
With new X79 chip set and LGA 2011 I think there is no such thing like "stock". In new generation of Intel products is implemented power and thermal logic so voltage and clock are directly dependent on the quality of the entire computer / rig - as well as the area where the computer is located. If you decide to buy such expensive processor like 39xx is you can't save on things like case or PSU . To build an rig with this processor you have to go with all components in same range or on the end you will have an expensive processor which runs at minimum of his possibilities.
Way i'm writing this. If you are searching around about I7 39xx you will find lots of reviews "it is easy to" OC and it is just plug and play.
Even if you have deep pockets and money is not a problem for you those claims are not true because you will have to steady seriously how to's. Yes, you'll be able to just turn on the computer and immediately work but this is not what you was reading about! If you got your new "toy" in summer time do not be surprised if immediately after the start, there is a problem. According to the new Intel technology, overclocking is a normal thing, and your CPU is already overclocked. Overclock is not anymore overclock, they rename it to "turbo". So you are in the middle of summer with high ambient temperatures and with an good but average cooler inside case (actually for all other processors this cooler is probably excellent) . So, don't call technical support because they will claim that this was tested and all is ok (which is actually true) . So what is wrong? Wrong is that no one say to you that before switching on this computer you have to spend hours and hours reading about!
WARNING! There is no official instructions how to overclock LGA 2011 generation of processors! They just throw it on the market "You can do it" but how there is no single word. You will pay $1000 for processor and $400 for mobo to be left on the street ??? I can't name it different when you must to setup your BIOS according some "Raja" instructions (with all respect for effort of person who wrote this - but it is not official) . Because you are careful you will search around and find lots of you can do this and this - but how to trust to some xxyyzz ???
O.K. let's come back to subject. There is no such thing like stock voltage for this processor. Stock stand's for "name plate" or official data but for the 39xx you will not find such thing. There is data for VID (voltage identification) and VID goes from 0.600 to 1.350V.
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What did I just read?

Stock settings are simply how it comes without modifying anything in the BIOS. Saying that there is no such thing is silly and incorrect. Is stock different between similar chips, yes, does that make it not stock, no.
 
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I'm sorry but what?

First of all X79 is very easy to OC, all you have to do is bump the multi a bit and see if it's stable. Sure if you want to get high OCs you might have to do some extra tweaking but by no means is it hard. Much easier than older platforms (aside from LGA1155, which is even easier). Also yes there is such a thing as an official OCign guide. It's called the motherboard manual. The mobo manual will explain every (well at least almost) feature of the bios/board for you. With that info you should be able to overclock if you want.

Obviously you're expected to know something about the platform and computers in general before putting together an X79 rig. No one would think that you could build the system and get a high OC going without any idea what you're doing. Also the raja guy you're talking about, he's an official ASUS employee, works for the mobo team, designing the BIOSes afaik. His guides are pretty much as legit as they get if you want a step by step guide instead of just explanations about board features.

Also I don't get the stock voltage argument either, I mean with stock voltage people refer to the idle/load etc. voltages the chip uses when no settings have been changed. Stock is stock even if different chips have different stock settings.
 
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Exactly... cheers.gif
 
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Also the raja guy you're talking about, he's an official ASUS employee
Hi is an employee of but is not ASUS! You will not find on ASUS any recommendation about this instruction or anything about.
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The mobo manual will explain every (well at least almost) feature of the bios/board for you.
You must to be joking biggrin.gif "
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VTTCPU Voltage [auto]
Alows you to set the VTTCPU voltage . The values range from 1.05V to 1.70V with a 0.00625 interval
My dear ASUS thanks' a loot for this explanation. Now i'm so informed and i know exactly what i'm doing when changing this thumb.gif
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No one would think that you could build the system and get a high OC
It is not about "high OC" - Intel made, by new generations of platforms, OC accessible to all and technically non educated people - more or less they have to be involved in OC because by default turbo is enabled and turbo is OC.
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I mean with stock voltage people refer to the idle/load etc.
English is not my language and is possible that i didn't understand correctly mining of word but any how you will not find anything about VCore values.
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Originally Posted by kope View Post

Hi is an employee of but is not ASUS! You will not find on ASUS any recommendation about this instruction or anything about.

that's because they can't officially endorse overclocking. It's about as official as you can get. Intel, asus etc. all say that even if they do offer products that can be OCd that doesn't mean that they will offer you help in OCing them, that's just not how it works.

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My dear ASUS thanks' a loot for this explanation. Now i'm so informed and i know exactly what i'm doing when changing this thumb.gif

There's really nothing wrong with that, they explain to you what the feature does. Nowhere does it state that they should explain to you what VTT is. The mobo manual does teach you OCing with the board assuming you're informed about your hardware and its functions.
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It is not about "high OC" - Intel made, by new generations of platforms, OC accessible to all and technically non educated people - more or less they have to be involved in OC because by default turbo is enabled and turbo is OC.

Turbo is nothing more than an extension of speedstep. OCing is easier these days, yes, but that doesn't mean that intel meant that every single guy who owns a K series CPU should be able to OC without researching anything. Aside from offering an OCing warranty, there's no guarantees from intel. They specifically state that you're on your own when it comes to OCing. Both in their CPU packages and in their warranty plan.
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English is not my language and is possible that i didn't understand correctly mining of word but any how you will not find anything about VCore values.

no worries, I'm not a native English speaker either. smile.gif

Also you will not find any standards beyond the VID range about vcore values because they are different with every chip. Still doesn't mean that stock settings aren't stock settings.
 
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Also you will not find any standards beyond the VID range about vcore values because they are different with every chip
NOPE!
VID is the same for every chip! For the same conditions (load, clock, ambient temperature etc) every chip will give the same VID -> Remainder: "The VID is the default vcore your CPU needs in order to run at stock to run Intel’s standards for stability on any non-faulty motherboard" . So don't be confused with fact that some chip will pass and other will fail on anything out of stock.
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yes, but that doesn't mean that intel meant that every single guy who owns a K series CPU should be able to OC without researching anything.
That is the point! What and where to search??? Is that mean that Intel relays on www.overclock.net ???
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"that's just not how it works."
It is exactly what i'm saying ! It is irresponsibility and carelessness for customers! I'm not talking here about variant.
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assuming you're informed about
I will say that they assumed that you will burn something! Assumption it is not acceptable!
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Turbo is nothing more than an extension of speedstep.
Nope!
It rises voltages and other things which speed step does not! It is classical OC!
Edited by kope - 9/2/12 at 3:38am
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I said VID range, not VID, the range is identical for each chip since in order to pass QC they have to be able to work within those limits.

Also, how does releasing chips that can OC mean that intel should make sure people are able to OC them without informing themselves first? That just doesn't make any sense. In fact intel specifically states that they will not offer any help with overclocking.
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Q12) Does Intel provide some hints/tips on where to start for beginning overclockers?
A12) Intel does not provide any guidance on overclocking. Overclocking is comprised of many different variables and Intel cannot give general guidance as each individual has their own methodology for overclocking, and Intel does not endorse or recommend overclocking.
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Q3) Does this mean that Intel is supporting or encouraging overclocking?
A3) No. While we will, under the Plan, replace an eligible processor that fails while running outside of Intel’s specifications, we will not provide any assistance with configuration, data recovery, failure of associated parts, or any other activities or issues associated with the processor or system resulting from overclocking or otherwise running outside of Intel’s published specifications.

http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/BsiFaq.aspx

How and where you do your research is irrelevant. You're on your own and intel is in no way liable to offer any help in running the processor beyond spec. K chips have an unlocked multi. That's it, they don't specifically state that it's for overclocking. It's just a feature that's there for consumers to use as they wish.

Also speedstep does change voltages just like turbo does.
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Kope, you're a bit misinformed man! Read and read and read more! And listen to all the guys opinions over here too.
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