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the VID is determined by the constant programed into each chip (the stock VID). Note that I say VID not vcore, because actual vcore is modified by the load line, which is dependent on current draw.

The VID codes will change due to temperature and/or current load changes to minimize the power and to maximize the performance of the part.
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No. Every chip is different, and getting two with the same default VID is actually fairly rare.
This is based on this from Intel:
"Individual processor VID values may be calibrated during manufacturing such that two processor units with the same core frequency may have different default VID settings." It is quite normal because complete this standard about SVID and VID is invented to provide possibility of motherboard to accept different types of processor's !
The emphasis here is on "The VID codes will change due to temperature and/or current load changes"
And yes i'm happy owner of 3 chip's with same VID. More over I has three of Intel chips Q9000 generations and they also happen to have the same VID. Yes you are right there is no two equal chips but those differences are in acceptable range. I do not know what is the allowable percentage of deviation at Intel but I'm sure Intel must not afford a large deviation.
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A few quesetions for kope..

1. Did you make another account or something or did you just lose all your rep somehow..
2. And why do you have an obsession with the 3930k? I can find you in almost every thread relating to the 3930k telling other users their info is flat out wrong when it usually isn't (you did it to me once) and making posts that are impossible to understand.

it's not like we're all enemies here, if you're here to learn and help others like alot of us are, there's no need to be so hostile.
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A few quesetions for kope..
1. Did you make another account or something or did you just lose all your rep somehow..
2. And why do you have an obsession with the 3930k? I can find you in almost every thread relating to the 3930k telling other users their info is flat out wrong when it usually isn't (you did it to me once) and making posts that are impossible to understand.
it's not like we're all enemies here, if you're here to learn and help others like alot of us are, there's no need to be so hostile.

He did the same to me, just another kid on the forums i'm sick of seeing.
 
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A few quesetions for kope..
1. Did you make another account or something or did you just lose all your rep somehow..
2. And why do you have an obsession with the 3930k? I can find you in almost every thread relating to the 3930k telling other users their info is flat out wrong when it usually isn't (you did it to me once) and making posts that are impossible to understand.
it's not like we're all enemies here, if you're here to learn and help others like alot of us are, there's no need to be so hostile.

Maybe you didn't noticed but this post was started by me and i see here only discussion nothing else! It will be great if you can point on the part where here i was wrong so i can learn for the next time thumb.gif
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Unfortunately we've had to remove 19 rep points from your account that were issued w/o proper cause to your account by user iPDrop. The reps fall under the category of abuse of the OCN rep system by the other user.
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The VID codes will change due to temperature and/or current load changes to minimize the power and to maximize the performance of the part.
This is based on this from Intel:
"Individual processor VID values may be calibrated during manufacturing such that two processor units with the same core frequency may have different default VID settings." It is quite normal because complete this standard about SVID and VID is invented to provide possibility of motherboard to accept different types of processor's !
The emphasis here is on "The VID codes will change due to temperature and/or current load changes"
And yes i'm happy owner of 3 chip's with same VID. More over I has three of Intel chips Q9000 generations and they also happen to have the same VID. Yes you are right there is no two equal chips but those differences are in acceptable range. I do not know what is the allowable percentage of deviation at Intel but I'm sure Intel must not afford a large deviation.

You kind of glazed over the paragraph following that part in that document...
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Individual process VID values may be calibrated during manufacturing such that two processor units with the same core frequency may have different default VID settings.
 
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You are right but that is always when you try to say something briefly thumb.gif
Any how i's there in first part and is explained .
Way I underlined this part -> I think that today VID becomes one of most important part of OC and that most of "beginners" in OC have problem to understand how all this working.
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Having a low VID has always been the signs to a potentially great overclocking chip... nothing new there.

But I agree, many beginners see users with low volts and they think they can do the same. Learning about your chip is certainly the best first start to any OC.
 
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I totally am LOLing at this thread! biggrin.gif
I also laughed at this 2.25v on the CPU...rolleyes.gif
http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/4392446
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Originally Posted by deafboy View Post

Having a low VID has always been the signs to a potentially great overclocking chip... nothing new there.
But I agree, many beginners see users with low volts and they think they can do the same. Learning about your chip is certainly the best first start to any OC.
My point is that you can't be sure wot is your VID! There is to much functions in the system which can change VID. I don't know for other mobo's but with P9X79 i can change VID for given clock. Functions which i'm using for this are by default on auto so how anybody can be sure wot is stock VID ??? I do not know any software which can read VID table from processor directly.
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