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I've had these MSI Twin Frozr III GTX 570s for a while now (since December 2011 or so). Since I got them, I had them overclocked to 940 MHz GPU and 2200 MHz memory on MSI Afterburner. The issue is that after a while, I noticed crashing here and there (mostly BF3). I kept lowering the overclock on both the GPU and memory slightly and it would fix the issue for some time (maybe it never really fixed it).

Anyhow, today I'm on 900 MHz GPU and 2100 MHz memory and even that crashes in Heaven 3.0 benchmark after just 30 seconds, even though these clock speeds would have been absolutely fantastic a few months back. My voltages were +150 mV on the core and +20 mV on the memory (I tried +30 mV too).

I'm now testing stock clocks and stock voltages and Heaven 3.0 is running perfectly by the looks of it. I might just call it a day and leave it at stock and take mental note of the rule of thumb:

"Don't overclock your graphics cards because they deteriorate mighty fast!"

Anyone else experienced this over time with any cards?
Any recommendations?
Is the only solution basically to keep lowering and lowering the overclock over time. It's strange because CPUs (AMD & Intel) I've overclocked have never, ever suffered from this. They happily sit overclocked at a limiting clock speed at near-limit voltage for years and years (before I naturally just upgrade).

EDIT: I was on the latest official drivers before, 301.42. Now I'm on the latest Beta drivers, 306.02. I've tested many versions and drivers don't seem to be the issue, nor the software as I have gone through numerous clean formats since December 2011.
    
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you should have such problems. if it was the case my gtx 570 would have degraded long time ago.
plus you have a better cooler on yours.
what's your volt at? it could also be your mother board maybe your pci e slot is going capoute .
i have my gtx 570 at 975 2325 temps go to 73 in gaming.

i just noticed you are also running in sli, maybe one of the 2 cards are not stable at those clocks. test on card at a time to see your max oc at witch voltage.
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Dont have 570 but do have a 480 and i have not noticed any degradation at all and i have overclocked it to 910 core stable in anything, however it is on water.

You dont say what sort of temps you have let your cards run at, temperature could be just as much a killer as voltage as far as im aware.
I did however notice degrading on my CPU a few months after i bought it, but it then stayed the same and didnt degrade any more.
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Oh yes sorry, I forgot temperatures. At +150 mV on core and +20 mV on memory with 900 MHz to 940 MHz GPU and 2100 MHz memory, I get about 78°C on the top card and 74°C on the bottom card, maximum. Gibraltar is a warm place to be and I have a sound card sandwiched between both cards but there is ample space for cooling and my case has four 120 mm fans aiming directly at both cards.

I've been testing BF3 on stock clocks and it seems to be fine. I don't know how much performance I'm losing though. I might just have to ignore the perform loss as if I never had that extra performance. I was trying to get a slightly higher GPU and memory clock on stock voltages but I'm yet unsure how far I can go. It crashed on me at 830 MHz GPU and 2050 MHz memory so perhaps this is too much without a voltage bump.

EDIT: Spoke too soon, it just crashed on me almost instantly, at stock clocks.

EDIT 2: Spoke a little too soon on that too. I'm now playing at stock. Perhaps the crash from earlier was just a simple BF3 crash rather than a drivers or hardware crash as the drivers didn't report any error and the screen didn't flicker or anything.
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All cards are different but I would say a 940mhz core clock is extremely aggressive for a 570. I ran mine at 850mhz max and only 900mhz while benching.
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All cards are different but I would say a 940mhz core clock is extremely aggressive for a 570. I ran mine at 850mhz max and only 900mhz while benching.

That might be the case, yeah. What about memory? What do you run it at 24/7? What kinds of voltages do you use? smile.gif
    
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Test them individually and see if the problem exists, pull one out and play BF3 for a bit...then report back thumb.gifsmile.gif
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thats a bad 570, my stock is 82x
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Before I bought the 570s, I had a different 570. Just before purchasing that first 570, I asked people if they thought NVIDIA cards failed constantly and constantly needed RMA. Everyone assured me it wasn't the case, that they had had half a dozen NVIDIA cards without problems, etc. Anyhow, I had to RMA my first 570 and then I sold that one on eBay and the buyer came back a few weeks later needing an RMA as well. Now I have these two MSI 570s and it MAY be that one needs RMA...
Worse still, I'm in Gibraltar now and need to ship them off to the UK, which means extra time and extra expense for an RMA. I've got to say, I have never owned an NVIDIA card that hasn't eventually failed on me and I've owned more than 6 NVIDIA cards in total over the last 12 or so years.

Anyhow, not impressed at all but I do thank you all for your replies. I will see how it goes at stock for a few days. If it works, it works and that's that. I may then try to get it to 850 MHz on the GPUs and 2100 MHz on the memory with very little voltage bump (certainly not the maximum bump I was giving them for 900 MHz +). If it fails at stock, I'd like to say that's it for NVIDIA for me but I have an NVIDIA 3D Vision system I don't want to say goodbye to...
I'm therefore "locked in", which is unfortunate as all that means is endless RMAs!

My verdict in a few days of stock usage! smile.gif
I'll try to play BF3 extensively in those few days and get some Heaven 3.0 runs going too.
    
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I have a feeling the beta drivers may have something to do with your stability issues. If you roll back to an older release, keep your old OC, and maintain stability that may be your answer.

For whatever reason, in my experiences, it seems Nvidia does mess around with the power usage on each respective driver release. When I had my SLI 570's and 580's, my OC stability would be called into question each time I changed drivers. It came to the point where I stopped updating unless there was a game profile or new feature that I wanted. A lot less headaches that way. wink.gif
     
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