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lol forget the noctua, its so hard to find when all people want is the intel version and they are not inter compatible. grab a xigmatek preaton instead

The Noctua is in stock in Amazon and lots of local resellers, I meant where the courier was with my package tongue.gif

It actually is 7mm shorter than the Preaton, noticeably quieter, and performs better. In fact, mine is virtually noiseless when idling, and barely audible under heavy load.

About the power consumption... I'll measure mine with the ammeter directly from the DC brick output (and assume minibox's 95% efficiency for my particular unit) when I have the chance (no kill-a-watt fancy things here, I use a DMM tongue.gif). But from here I can tell you that a 80W PSu is pleeeeenty enough for an A10-5700 powered system (not using a FM2A75M-ITX that is!)

Meanwhile I'm going to write a well-deserved review for all the components on my system.
   
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The Noctua is in stock in Amazon and lots of local resellers, I meant where the courier was with my package tongue.gif
It actually is 7mm shorter than the Preaton, noticeably quieter, and performs better. In fact, mine is virtually noiseless when idling, and barely audible under heavy load.
About the power consumption... I'll measure mine with the ammeter directly from the DC brick output (and assume minibox's 95% efficiency for my particular unit) when I have the chance (no kill-a-watt fancy things here, I use a DMM tongue.gif). But from here I can tell you that a 80W PSu is pleeeeenty enough for an A10-5700 powered system (not using a FM2A75M-ITX that is!)
Meanwhile I'm going to write a well-deserved review for all the components on my system.

well perhaps in the states the AMD version of the noctua is available but in the global market it is still rare due to intel's dominance none the less preaton is far cheaper too and that is impressive and mine too is inaudible.

I'm not sure if the FM2A75M-ITX is the power culprit besides the unusual high load under bios
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well perhaps in the states the AMD version of the noctua is available but in the global market it is still rare due to intel's dominance none the less preaton is far cheaper too and that is impressive and mine too is inaudible.
I'm not sure if the FM2A75M-ITX is the power culprit besides the unusual high load under bios

It is the FM2A75M-ITX. While it was running way to high under BIOS it was also doing it under any stress testing that I did. At first I thought that the board was not correctly identifying the 5700 and running it like a 5800 but even everyone that is running a 5800 is experiencing way too much power draw and heat.
Heat equals power loss and on the ASROCK the VRMs are way too hot, the MOSFETs are way too hot and even one of the capacitors was way too hot. I'd figure that it is "leaking", at load, at least 30W (Probably much more) over what it should be running at.
The 5700 is rated at 65W and peak spikes over that should be in the single digits. Definitely not the 50-75% over that you are seeing. Something is very wrong with that MB.
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Gez are the current itx motherboards really that bad? I'm hoping Asus releases a good one soon. Miss their awesome fm1 mobo. Trinity does work in fm1 too right? Read that in maximum PC and was surprised for some reason since they said llano won't work in fm2 as well. Darn amd for busting an Intel lol
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The 5700 is rated at 65W and peak spikes over that should be in the single digits. Definitely not the 50-75% over that you are seeing. Something is very wrong with that MB.

that 65w part is only rated for the CPU component only, it does not take account of the GPU side of it
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that 65w part is only rated for the CPU component only, it does not take account of the GPU side of it

Maybe so but even with testing designed to strain both at the same time the load draw (at the wall) for a 5800 was at 150W. That’s what about a 20% over TDP I would guess? I guess it could be disproportionate between the two APUs as the GPU is basically the same between the two. Call me jaded though as I don't see how the BIOS or every test I tried would send this thing well north of a 100Ws.
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well perhaps in the states the AMD version of the noctua is available but in the global market it is still rare due to intel's dominance none the less preaton is far cheaper too and that is impressive and mine too is inaudible.
I'm not sure if the FM2A75M-ITX is the power culprit besides the unusual high load under bios

It is.

Overall power consumption, heat output and system noise have drastically gone down from the moment I installed the F2A75M-HD2.
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that 65w part is only rated for the CPU component only, it does not take account of the GPU side of it

It's typical-case scenario heat output for the total package.

Real world power consumption hovers the high 80s for a 100% load burn test.
   
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It's typical-case scenario heat output for the total package.
Real world power consumption hovers the high 80s for a 100% load burn test.

To my understanding, AMD TDP is supposed to be worst-case real-world. That is to say you can burn more power with a "power virus", but the TDP should be representative of the max for real applications and real usage.
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To my understanding, AMD TDP is supposed to be worst-case real-world. That is to say you can burn more power with a "power virus", but the TDP should be representative of the max for real applications and real usage.

Worst case real world could be folding@home while streaming Blu-Ray, and that would burn one hell of power tongue.gif

TDP is more like the heat the package is going to output while playing games, transcoding video, and so on.

Sure you can go higher (I remember AMD had an article about suggesting to change TDP with a more accurate max output figure, but was declined), but it's highly unlikely, and that's why APM is there.
   
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So after reading this post in my thread on TR - it seems like I can conclude that the likely reason that my board hasn't died yet is that the PSU on my ISK 110 is so anemic that it just isn't capable of delivering enough power to do any damage. rolleyes.gif Whatever works I guess. thumb.gif
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