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Nice! Thanks Kevin. Now start stuffing some rads.......wink.gif Actually I'm waffling back toward the SM8, has more to do with footprint where it will sit in my already over crowded pc (bed) room.
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Do we have a firm time for availability/shipping? IOW are they ready yet, manufactured on request, or what. Details, please. I know the OP said this week but I want to make sure, if I pull the trigger I have to arrange a funds transfer. As long as I leave it alone I'm making money. wink.gif
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Nice! Thanks Kevin. Now start stuffing some rads.......wink.gif Actually I'm waffling back toward the SM8, has more to do with footprint where it will sit in my already over crowded pc (bed) room.
Yes i hope to get that done tomorrow.biggrin.gif

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Do we have a firm time for availability/shipping? IOW are they ready yet, manufactured on request, or what. Details, please. I know the OP said this week but I want to make sure, if I pull the trigger I have to arrange a funds transfer. As long as I leave it alone I'm making money. wink.gif
They should ship this week, but we are very close no matter. In your situation maybe wait until we announce the first shipment.
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Looks to be the killer case for its "small" size, but while it has 114mm rad clearance at top and bottom, I still cannot have a push-pull 60mm rad setup with the top fans outside of the case without ordering the 120mm [4.72"] extended top, which is way too tall IMHO, and unneeded by me, tho its designed to accomodate just such a fan-rad setup in itself. I want a top that covers the top 25mm fans only, so that would be like a 1 1/2" tall top, instead.
Alternately, I guess if I wanna go with a deeper or taller rad, like an 80mm or even a 104mm, its gonna have to go in the front or side - I plan on using only the top 2 5.25 bays in the front - tho I'd prefer the look of a top mounted in-case rad w/ push fans. An 80mm rad w/ 25mm push fans inside would work - just want a shorter top.
My alternative case, and which makes me think about this top, is the Nzxt Switch. So I gotta ask - any plans or care to consider to make such a top that is lesser in height ?
Whoa ! I'm looking at the M8 case, and see that it has a 64mm top as an option - that's 2.5" ! perfect if it were for the sm8.

Two 25mm fans and a 60mm radiator come to 110mm, so 114mm clearance will work. The SM8 was designed specifically for that kind of setup where the original M8 was not.The MB tray and the radiators are offset somewhat, so it's not they are going to be close to touching each other. Yes, a big Noctua cooler could pose problems, but you probably wouldn't be using a push-pull rad then wink.gif
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There has been some interesting discussion about cases and pedestals, so I thought I'd throw in my own 2 cents...

The pedestals were originally designed as an "insurance policy" for buyers of the M8 when they were first released. Rather than scrapping the case when your needs exceeded it's capacity, you could simple "add more". That is still largely true today. Say someone really can't think of any reason why they would need more then an SMH10, but are unsure, since it's such a big investment. The pedestal assembly alleviates that concern to a large degree. Of course, there are other more technical reasons why you might use pedestals rather than open cases for cooling or you simply like the "look" of them. If you fall into that category, you already know what you're trying to do wink.gif

Economically, it almost always make more sense to buy the larger case if you know your needs won't be met by the smaller one without the pedestal. Our goal is to provide as many options (confusion? tongue.gif) as possible so you end up with a configuration that works for your needs.
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Ah, so a thick rad with push pull will fit inside without any additions to the top? That makes my decision easier. Add a pedestal with two rads and have plenty of cooling probably for any loop I'll be building soon.
I had missed the post above for some reason but thanks for your point of view. I don't know as a pedestal would be necessary, at first, but I'm also looking at the footprint of the SM8 vs your other cases. I can go vertical easier than I can sideways in case sizes.
There's just something cool about the pedestal anyway, and opens up some possibilities that other cases can't do without an entirely separate detached unit. I'd rather keep everything together even if I had to add a pedestal. Pumps, rads, HDD's, electronics, all kinds of things come to mid that a pedestal could handle.
See how I've done a 180 and keep coming back to the SM8? smile.gif It just appeals to me more than the larger cases for a variety of reasons, and still has enough space for some carefully crafted mods. (yeah, I have to mod everything it seems).

Maybe for me the best thing would be to NOT get a pedestal, get familiar with the case, and keep options open for a pedestal or whatever in the future. I can still fit some serious rad and take the time to plan future mods. Plus a smaller initial order will fool the wife look better on the checkbook. biggrin.gif
Edited by mandrix - 9/17/12 at 6:27pm
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I can't image using all the features of the SM8, so adding a pedestal is insane for me.
The SMH10 looks like it solves the issue of the SM8 at a cheaper cost and better looks.

But I think the reversible feature and drop-ins of the SM8 are convincing people to add a pedestal, instead of buying the SMH10.
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I can't image using all the features of the SM8, so adding a pedestal is insane for me.
The SMH10 looks like it solves the issue of the SM8 at a cheaper cost and better looks.
But I think the reversible feature and drop-ins of the SM8 are convincing people to add a pedestal, instead of buying the SMH10.

Maybe the best solution is to wait and see what the ST10 has to offer? It sounds like we should be getting more details and maybe pics some time in October, which honestly isn't that much longer to be patient, especially for those that are planning a Haswell build. Since its with the Merlin line I would guess we will see a lot of those attractive features present with the SM8, like the reversibility and drop-in mounts, but of a size closer to the SMH10 without the aesthetics of a pedestal. If I recall from the original post, the ST10 has the same width and depth measurements as the SM8, but is quite a bit taller, which will be nice for those with limited desk space.
    
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SM8 vs SMH10/STH10: Its all about the options.

1. The pedestal/pedestal like areas more configurable on the SM8. The SMH10/STH10 are fixed with their pedestal like areas with options for a second bottom only pedestal or an extended top. While nice, depending on how you want to configure your system, a pedestal like area may go mostly unused due to its location (which only adds bulk). Or you may have longer tubing runs to reach the scattered rads.

Wouldn't it be so much better if you could centralize all the rads with short tubing runs and avoid the mobo section?? While maintaining positive pressure with room for expansion (without running tubing all over)?? While maximizing the case real estate (no wasted sections)?? While you can make the STH10 or especially the SMH10 work like this (with a pedestal on bottom, no wasted space up top), I find the SM8 more ideal due to its unique pedestal versatility.

The SM8 lets you put a pedestal on top, a pedestal on the bottom, two pedestals on top, two pedestals on bottom, all options with or without an extended top. This works far better for options towards keeping the rads higher up and centralize, without wasting a pedestal like area below, so that the heat can rise straight out of the case. You can place the pedestal up top, then draw air in threw dual rads at the upper sides, then put a third 480 rad in the SM8's upper PSU area (a SM8 unique option) blowing up threw the top mounted pedestal towards a vented top. So now you have a massive 3x480 rad capacity, the ability to maintain positive pressure, a centralized rad system with short tubing runs, and a heat rising mobo avoiding rad exhaust path. Stack another top mounted pedestal to add even more rad space while maintaining all these benifits and the exhaust "chimney". And best of all you don't have to waste a bottom pedestal like area, so as to maximize the case real estate. Or you could waste some space by using...

2. A STH10 with 4 PSU slots. That's at least 2-3 too many for most people. I won't knock the choice of upper or lower, but dual side by side PSUs just wastes space unless you really really need that power. Which also brings me to...

3. The wasted space on the STH10/SMH10, if you don't NEED it, just makes for a needlessly bigger case. Bigger than EATX is great... if you need it, most will not. 560 (4x140) rad support seems neat, until you realize it takes up a ton of space and it is still somewhat a 120mm standard world anyway with added 140mm options. For example, the new XSPC AX rads are 120mm only, they look awesome, but they don't come in a 560. The ever popular Gentle Typhoon AP-15 fans only come in 120mm, as do a lot of the best fan options. I sure don't see them rushing out a 140mm option. Sure you can make 140mm work just fine, and there are good options out there, but when you are at three or four 480 (4x120) rads, you have the cooling power need for sure already. You might be limiting your rad/fan options. But even if you make the jump to 140mm fans for whatever reason, and the fans you find are nice, do you really need the space hogging 560 support thusted upon you by the STH10/SM10? The SM8 will do 420 (3x140) options and maintain a more reasonable size. Speaking of (or is that posting of??) options...

4. The smaller touches/options on the SM8 are super nice. If you add a pedestal to a SMH10/STH10, what do you get? No more Flexbays and more (MORE!!) PSU slots. Holly ****!! Thats 6 PSU bays. Whaaatt!? Whereas if you add a SM8 pedestal, you get a another 3 Flexbays (which is 300% more than the competition!! JK) and a rear positioned 140mm fan mount (far more useful than ANOTHER PSU slot). Then on top of all this, the SM8 has built in 480 support in more than one area (or 420 support if you must), a reversable mobo side / window side option, a symmetrical looking row of Flexbays (somehow that just looks a ton better to me vs off centered), and you can see my awesome Corsair AX1200i PSU sticker better on the SM8 (which is a small thing, but I like it better - a PSU in the more traditional orientation)... And while we are on things I like that should hardly matter (but they SO do)...

5. Merlin is hands down a better name than Magnum. The wand is mightier than the gun. A small Merlin logo instead of the standard CaseLabs one would have been cool biggrin.gif

Well these are the reasons I want a Merlin SM8 over the STH10/SMH10 anyway. YMMV. Not putting down the SMH10/STH10, just noting reasons why Merlin might be the better option in some cases.
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That's pretty much the way I'm thinking right now and, unless or until I do something to redesign my pc area, vertically I'm less challenged for space.
Right now I'm waiting for some more pics as I'm having a hard time picturing placement of everything, and what accessories/mounts I'll need. I guess I just deal better with hands on than visualizing so pics are a big help right now. Or call me dense, or old, I don't care.

So to be clear about what will fit in the stock configuration I'll throw out what I'm looking to mount initially, will these fit, and what mounts/accessories I will need to order in addition to what comes with the case.
Maybe this will help some others as well.

2x 120x4 rads - push/pull? prefer thick low fpi rads for low speed (quiet) fans
1x 120x3 -or- 1x 120x2 rad
2x D5 pumps
1x DVD burner
2x Fan/pump controllers
2x Front Fans (or more)
1x/2x/3x Rear fans (40mm holes in rear??)
1x PSU
1x Internal fan

Knowing exactly what I need to order would help finalize costs so I know what I would be looking at $-wise.
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