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Ahhh, that would make a lot of sense about it's classification then.

Indeed it would! It is all very interesting how it all works smile.gif
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Plan9 and Tompsonn, your conversation was a good read. biggrin.gif

Why thank you biggrin.gif
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headscratch.gif The conversations were..... interesting. But it will take my head a while to wrap around all of it, if at all rolleyes.gif
     
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Finally some good semi-heated conversation. Unlike when Plan9 and mushroomboy go at it, that's just purely heated with no good outcome.
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Finally some good semi-heated conversation.
I don't think it was heated at all.

There are a lot of people who like to talk big on forums knowing it's easy to exaggerate the value of their opinions, but I can't think of many who are as experienced as he is nor able to express that experience as well as he does. There's no ego, no condescension, just the facts presented in a friendly way.

So I have a great deal of respect for tompsonn (and a few others who are also like him - like yourself actually) smile.gif
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I've not ran it myself, but from what I've read in the past, I believe only the BSD kernel reside in GNU/kFreeBSD. A lazy Wikipedia search would confirm this too - if you're happy to trust such a source:

 

Didn't use it for long, it has a few issues, but that is about the gist of it, the BSD kernel, with GNU Userland, combined with the immense Debian package base.

 

you can find out more info in its debian wiki, gives a bit more info about what it is, what its made of and why it was made than the wikipedia page gives.

 

I really didn't care much for it, it was a bit unstable, and like freebsd not all my hardware works correctly with it (it might now).

 

I would agree wtih tompsonn and plan9 on the differences they've already mentioned, and would add my own Linux is open sourced, i can look at the code to see what makes a kernel tick, and NT, i can not :) (even tho i'm not even remotely interested in kernel development).

 

and @plan9, thats an old old (like 9.04/9.10) image of the software center:

 

 

 

the latest version in 12.04 is very polished compared to the days of old :)

 

but yeah, you use this mainly to install software in ubuntu, either from the repository or from a deb in the wild. there are other gui's, but they no longer come bundled in a default ubuntu, and there is really no need for them, and yes, you can always revert to the command line and use apt or aptitude (which you will have to install using apt or the software center in the later editions of ubuntu). My favorite feature of the software center is the software sync feature, where if i install something on my desktop, and i want my laptop to have the same software i just log into my ubuntu one login account, and sync my desktop to my laptop. there are other nifty features they've been introducing, a bit iffy on the few, like landscape.

 

as for root privileges, in ubuntu and most distro's, the first created user account is generally added to the group that can use sudo, to elevate their privileges to do root only things, but in ubuntu, unlike other distro's, ubuntu randomizes the root account itself password, so you don't set it up during installation, and the only way to change it is to use your sudo privileges in the main user account, and switch to root and then change it.

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ummm asking that is like asking why a square peg doesn't fit in a round hole. Simply because they are built different.
Linux uses a totally different backend then windows, and executes code differently then windows does.
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I don't think it was heated at all.
There are a lot of people who like to talk big on forums knowing it's easy to exaggerate the value of their opinions, but I can't think of many who are as experienced as he is nor able to express that experience as well as he does. There's no ego, no condescension, just the facts presented in a friendly way.
So I have a great deal of respect for tompsonn (and a few others who are also like him - like yourself actually) smile.gif

Well maybe not heated but you get what I mean tongue.gif


@Transhour, that's a mighty nice looking screen of software center. Definitely very polished and looks extremely easy to navigate.
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ummm asking that is like asking why a square peg doesn't fit in a round hole. Simply because they are built different.
Linux uses a totally different backend then windows, and executes code differently then windows does.

 

not really, as both NT and Linux do compete in the same space in the server market, and throw a few punches here and there in the mobile/desktop markets.  You can easily do a technical comparison of the core software of both, with their abilities and their lackings, to see which one is better or how they differ.

 

there is some information that this thread has given, that i didnt even know about the NT kernel, i knew it was capable of running POSIX, but not to the extent that it was said here.

 

So i think it would do both sides some good to list all the big difference (which they have, like the binary of executable's and that linux drivers don't use IRQ)

 

 

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Well maybe not heated but you get what I mean tongue.gif
@Transhour, that's a mighty nice looking screen of software center. Definitely very polished and looks extremely easy to navigate.

 

yep I miss it, In fedora now, and i think fedora has won me over :) and plan9's image actually made me cringe a little when i saw it :).

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Lol, all good - been njina editing almost every single one of my posts tongue.gif
That looks interesting. I didn't look too much, but is it in addition to the user-environment on BSD, or does it entirely replace it?

I've not ran it myself, but from what I've read in the past, I believe only the BSD kernel reside in GNU/kFreeBSD. A lazy Wikipedia search would confirm this too - if you're happy to trust such a source:
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Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is an operating system released by the Debian project. It uses the kernel of FreeBSD combined with a GNU based userland. The majority of software in Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is built from the same sources as Debian GNU/Linux. The k in kFreeBSD is an abbreviation for kernel of, which refers to the fact that only the kernel of FreeBSD operating system is used. From the perspective of the debian infrastructure and package management Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is treated as *ports* of Debian (currently "kfreebsd-i386" and "kfreebsd-amd64").

The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD base system is fully functional, but there still a few major bugs that need to be fixed and packages that need to be ported to the system. The kfreebsd-* ports of Debian were included with Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) as a "technology preview".
I've tried it. It is almost exactly like gnu/linux, I dougt anyone could tell the differance in everyday use. Basiclly as you said its just debian using a freebsd kernal in stead of a linux one. Kind of like the debian gnu/hurd is a port to the hurd microkernal. It tests slower then gnu/linux though so the only reason I could see for using it was if you wanted something not easyilly avialble on linux (zfs comes to mind) but perfered a debian userland/ package management
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