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WIDI is part of the centrino (if they still call it that) system where you need an Intel compatible CPU, main board and wifi card. Basically all sandy and ivy core series CPU are supported along with the 6 and 7 series chipset so all you need is an Intel supported wifi card and update the drivers. You will also need a compatible WIDI receiver. All widi does is that it sends video signals of your Intel onboard GPU via wifi to the WIDI HDMI recevier. You will need lucid working if you are to play games.
There is a thread on the new Asus P8Z77i-Deluxe WIDI which is the same board with a intel wifi card. There is a few guys explaining how it works.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1308913/asus-asus-p8z77-i-deluxe-wd-widi-support
As for the gtx670, mine is the DCii version which IS the quietest stock cooled card in the market. In actual fact the card in inaudible even under load over normal PC environments however because the rest of my PC and the environment that I work in is extremely quiet so the fan noise of the card is far more apparent and distinct. As for temps I can easily get it down to a comfortable 50deg load temp if i ramp up the fans but that would create noise so I'd rather live with higher temps and keep all the fans as low as possible and somewhat within the 20% speed. Me saying 95deg is over exaggerating but I'm willing to go that far on a hot summer day. Currently load temps while being inaudible is roughly 60deg.
I did think about watercooling but that is another pump noise to consider on top of the fans and liquid turbulence. Apparently the SG08 wont support a 180mm radiator which is primarily the reason why I want to go air only. Also I'd want to avoid a near disaster of tubes cracking from my last water setup. Besides waterblocks are expensive when you are like me who upgrades every 6 months or so
I really want to make another custom case but I lack the right tools to make it look professional enough to compete on the lines of lian li and silverstone.

Were the tubes that cracked from a custom loop? Or was it from a closed loop watercooler? And pump noise can be a problem when you are using an all in one liquid cooler. It took me forever to fix the grinding noise on my pump, it makes a tiny bit of noise every couple minutes in my case, but I have a direct psu connector (4 pin molex to fan connector) coming in the mail which should solve all my problems with pump noise. I dont want to hear another story about an AIO watercooler leaking. doh.gif
 
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Anyone used the asrock extreme tuner to overclock their cpu? I know using the bios would be better, but I don't necessarily have/want to spend the time to test max overclocks going through the bios, restarting, and repeating.

I would really be interested in using it to test how high I could overclock my cpu and see the temps I would be getting.
 
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Were the tubes that cracked from a custom loop? Or was it from a closed loop watercooler? And pump noise can be a problem when you are using an all in one liquid cooler. It took me forever to fix the grinding noise on my pump, it makes a tiny bit of noise every couple minutes in my case, but I have a direct psu connector (4 pin molex to fan connector) coming in the mail which should solve all my problems with pump noise. I dont want to hear another story about an AIO watercooler leaking. doh.gif


Then i guess I'm not gonna bother explaining but as a reminder to everyone else , do get neoprene tubes over hard ones or being an OCN member, feel free to mod the tubes to some higher quality ones.

I moved from a custom loop to a AIO to save some space in my SG03 build. Pump noise exist regardless of setup though it is mainly liquid turbulence that is the loudest. I havent herd of any grinding noise in my pumps but there is vibration noises.

At of this stage I cant see myself going back to water as CPU cooling is fine with a decent heatsink and I cant justify it for GPU only loops and $100 more for blocks for each card I decide to swap to later on every few months.

With that said I'm tempted to purchase an Apogee drive II to play around and stash it in my chest of spare parts
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Then i guess I'm not gonna bother explaining but as a reminder to everyone else , do get neoprene tubes over hard ones or being an OCN member, feel free to mod the tubes to some higher quality ones.
I moved from a custom loop to a AIO to save some space in my SG03 build. Pump noise exist regardless of setup though it is mainly liquid turbulence that is the loudest. I havent herd of any grinding noise in my pumps but there is vibration noises.
At of this stage I cant see myself going back to water as CPU cooling is fine with a decent heatsink and I cant justify it for GPU only loops and $100 more for blocks for each card I decide to swap to later on every few months.
With that said I'm tempted to purchase an Apogee drive II to play around and stash it in my chest of spare parts

What is a good cpu cooler that would work on a ASRock z77e itx, not block the pcie slot and stay under the 82mm height? Not including the thermalright axp140 or prolimatech samuel 17.
 
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I don't think you can attach a wifi card to msata but you can find out by swapping your wifi card to it, the slot may be the same but the active pins arnt unless it is a combo slot. Cant really confirm that though but I do know that for laptops its rather picky on the slots as some are USB active only and my Z68 Zotac has a combo slot.
As for thunderbolt, I'd highly doubt there will be for mPCIe (for now) as there isnt even any for standard PCIe slots. Thunderbolt kinda equates to 4x PCIe and mPCIe slots are 1x only. As a result that is almost 50% drop in gaming performance if I'd attach one via mPCIe but since PCIe links are scalable I'm thinking about quadrupling the links for about 85-90% performance. Thunderbolt would be great if only it is available for ITX PC users.
Anyway, is anyone able to get the onboard wifi or an Intel wifi to connect at 300mbps? I might be bothered to trade wifi cards with my Alienware laptop for the Intel wifi so i can play around with WIDI.
Btw I really dont believe in temps as part of a successful overclock, it all depends on fan speed and if you can live with the extra noise. I'm totally comfortable for my CPU and GPU to run constantly at 95deg C load temps as long as it doesn't throttle and have it semi passively cooled / noiseless operation.
RIght now I'm kinda annoyed on how loud my 670GTX DCii card is as it just seemed so much louder when everything else is so quiet.

Tekzilla just did a podcast thing on external GPUs using Thunderbolt and it can be done today, it would cost at least $600 to do it with the enclosure costs, gpu costs and psu costs - plus the thunderbolt cables themselves are $50+ due to being new technology and ICs in the plug ends.
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Anyone used the asrock extreme tuner to overclock their cpu? I know using the bios would be better, but I don't necessarily have/want to spend the time to test max overclocks going through the bios, restarting, and repeating.
I would really be interested in using it to test how high I could overclock my cpu and see the temps I would be getting.

i tested it once, it overclocks alright, but the options are limited compared to bios, it only supports manual and auto voltage control, not the third one (i forgot what its called)
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What is a good cpu cooler that would work on a ASRock z77e itx, not block the pcie slot and stay under the 82mm height? Not including the thermalright axp140 or prolimatech samuel 17.

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Tekzilla just did a podcast thing on external GPUs using Thunderbolt and it can be done today, it would cost at least $600 to do it with the enclosure costs, gpu costs and psu costs - plus the thunderbolt cables themselves are $50+ due to being new technology and ICs in the plug ends.

$600 is nothing if thats the cost of the total solution but getting the thunderbolt port itself is the issue. Unless your board comes with it or is an asus "approved" board that has a TB header then you are out of luck. Ether way i really wish this thunderbolt would hurry up and be available, it makes sense to have external GPU solutions that you can share with your laptop, tablets and mini PCs.
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What is a good cpu cooler that would work on a ASRock z77e itx, not block the pcie slot and stay under the 82mm height? Not including the thermalright axp140 or prolimatech samuel 17.

Well what I use is hardly conventional and if you are willing to replace the stock 180mm air penetrator with something of slimer profile (just 5mm will do) then you could fit a U9B as i have. I dont know how it would stack up against the AXP140 though but it should have the Samuel 17 beat. Scythe's Samurai ZZ fits and its a decent cooler too and I can confirm that the coolermaster vortex+ fits

What im currently curious is underclocking and undervolting to make a normal 77w CPU to a 45/65W version without paying more and the power savings of doing so

Im not too sure on what is considered a good overclock on ivy, most are getting only 4.5ghz and 5ghz is rather extreme. 4ghz OC seemed weak considering these turbo to 3.9ghz. Not sure if you would count turbo as part of your OC as well. Non K will support up to 43x multi on the bios but im not sure if that is inclusive of turbo or you get turbo ontop of that

personally right now im runnign prime on one rig with 43x 100mhz and another with 40x 105mhz , both systems drop 2 bins when running prime so they are both still above 4ghz on prime. a very modest 700-800mhz gain.

I might just try going all out on an open bench and slush box and use all available multiplier and bclk to push a non k as far as it can for lawls when I have more time but I have no intention of keeping them overclocked during normal operation as they both will be performing server duties
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$600 is nothing if thats the cost of the total solution but getting the thunderbolt port itself is the issue. Unless your board comes with it or is an asus "approved" board that has a TB header then you are out of luck. Ether way i really wish this thunderbolt would hurry up and be available, it makes sense to have external GPU solutions that you can share with your laptop, tablets and mini PCs.
Well what I use is hardly conventional and if you are willing to replace the stock 180mm air penetrator with something of slimer profile (just 5mm will do) then you could fit a U9B as i have. I dont know how it would stack up against the AXP140 though but it should have the Samuel 17 beat. Scythe's Samurai ZZ fits and its a decent cooler too and I can confirm that the coolermaster vortex+ fits
What im currently curious is underclocking and undervolting to make a normal 77w CPU to a 45/65W version without paying more and the power savings of doing so
Im not too sure on what is considered a good overclock on ivy, most are getting only 4.5ghz and 5ghz is rather extreme. 4ghz OC seemed weak considering these turbo to 3.9ghz. Not sure if you would count turbo as part of your OC as well. Non K will support up to 43x multi on the bios but im not sure if that is inclusive of turbo or you get turbo ontop of that

$600 would be okay if it were your sole gpu for all your devices I definitely agree, but yes the thunderbolt port not being readily available today makes this whole discussion a moot point - by the time it's mainstream it won't matter imho, just seems to be how things go for niche market items.

I did small blog writeup on undervolting IB for considerable gains here, I was able to drop temps to below 60C with a 20-25C ambient - basically my fans/pumps stayed on low.

I didn't like IB enough to keep it though even after a de-lid of my 3570k I wasn't satisfied with the chips heat output, and I didn't want to chance running the chip without the ihs as it's my main rig.

I ended up going back to a 2700k and was able to OC like crazy and keep temps well below what I was getting with IB on less clocks.

All in all I think a non-k IB chip is fine and then undervolt for energy and heat savings - the K chips are a waste of time for the minimal gains "imo".
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$600 would be okay if it were your sole gpu for all your devices I definitely agree, but yes the thunderbolt port not being readily available today makes this whole discussion a moot point - by the time it's mainstream it won't matter imho, just seems to be how things go for niche market items.
I did small blog writeup on undervolting IB for considerable gains here, I was able to drop temps to below 60C with a 20-25C ambient - basically my fans/pumps stayed on low.
I didn't like IB enough to keep it though even after a de-lid of my 3570k I wasn't satisfied with the chips heat output, and I didn't want to chance running the chip without the ihs as it's my main rig.
I ended up going back to a 2700k and was able to OC like crazy and keep temps well below what I was getting with IB on less clocks.
All in all I think a non-k IB chip is fine and then undervolt for energy and heat savings - the K chips are a waste of time for the minimal gains "imo".

Well thunderbolt would make sense mainstream as well for laptops and up coming windows 8 tablets, just add a GPU and you get a full gaming platform so the market is actually huge especially when you are considering everyone using Vidocks and its alternates. Besides thunderbolt has far more uses then just attaching GPUs as it would be the one cable to rule them all as a laptop/tablet dock.

Temps isnt my concern with ivy, more to the point that I need these CPUs to use as little power as they can. Underclocking is mainly to be able to fit in a certain TDP envelope for even lower profile cooling and smaller cases with <100W PSU along with battery powered duration

But I'd strongly agree with you about going sandy if you are purely about overclocking numbers and temps
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