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it may just be me but, since i work at a shop have many CRTs at my disposal and we get more every other week. I quite in enjoy some of the later/more modern OEM CRTs mainly the smaller HP/Compaq as not only they small 13-45.5 inches they are light and while it isn't a flat screen it only slightly bulbous and actually has an image more square then mots of the flat screen CRTs Also some of the later ones are light. People don't throw away to many flat screens so i only get CRTs for my secondary machines. Again i really only mess with them because they are free.
Edited by cdoublejj - 9/17/12 at 4:35am
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You were insinuating that LCD was going to somehow 'evolve' out of it's flaws (which I pointed out as being a ridiculous notion, as the most significant flaws are inherent to the very concept of an LCD monitor) and that LCD technology was "integrating" the aspects that make CRT arguably superior and "rapidly making it mainstream". The example you gave was high refresh rate LCD's, which I though was rather ironic as the 'integration' of high refresh rate LCDs has been anything but 'rapid'. Think of how long ago we had high refresh rate CRTs, then how many years after that it took for the 2233RZ to finally emerge. Maybe if we wait until 2020 we'll have LCDs with pixel response and black levels almost as good as CRT... rolleyes.gif Might be longer if LCD manufacturers keep pulling penny-pinching tricks like dropping A-TW polarizers.
My main point was always that the general consumer is a gullible idiot, and that's the reason why display manufacturers have been milking the LCD cash cow for such a painfully long time.

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Except they cheap out on CRTs too unless you pay a lot of money, LCDs have also come a long way.
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I don't recall ever saying that everyone should "go back to" CRT.
I took issue with certain individuals - who clearly wouldn't know a quality display if it hit them in the face - trying to convince me that LCD is an acceptable replacement for CRT and repeating the same feeble CRT 'flaws', most of which have absolutely nothing to do with actual image quality..

fine, we get it. Image quality is your thing its everything. it wouldn't matter if the screen pushed 500W or 1000w and gave off tonnes of heat making you sweat in the room and was 3 meters deep.. so long as the image is laser cut into your eyes in its fidelity.

back to the real world. LCD`s produce fantastic image quality at the price and have all the benefits i and other mention over CRT. Most people Gawp at newer LCD`s and marvel at their colour and definition not to mention contrast and overall clarity.

fantastic image quality maybe (*read IS COMPLETELY) subjective ! , I prefer LCD-TFT to CRT, get over it. I have good eyesight and an eye for good colour graduation and the correct gamma, black levels a monitor should produce too.

I liken it to what someone posted about their loudspeakers. They said they preferred the sound with a EQ and sub even though it wasn't true direct 2ch HI-FI, to which most audio snobs turned their nose up, I imagine the OP was enjoying his experience more than the purist rolleyes.gif
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fine, we get it. Image quality is your thing its everything. it wouldn't matter if the screen pushed 500W or 1000w and gave off tonnes of heat making you sweat in the room and was 3 meters deep.. so long as the image is laser cut into your eyes in its fidelity.
back to the real world. LCD`s produce fantastic image quality at the price and have all the benefits i and other mention over CRT. Most people Gawp at newer LCD`s and marvel at their colour and definition not to mention contrast and overall clarity.
fantastic image quality maybe (*read IS COMPLETELY) subjective ! , I prefer LCD-TFT to CRT, get over it.

Thank you! You speak my mind.
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Except they cheap out on CRTs too unless you pay a lot of money, LCDs have also come a long way.

Yes, the ultra high end CRT's were very expensive. To be fair though, not as expensive as some of the ultra high end flat panel variants we see today. I can't recall off the top of my head an ultra high end CRT that cost $1,000. Maybe they existed somewhere, but I can't think of it.
    
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The FW900 cost almost $2,000. If they did a new production run today they'd probably sell for more than that smile.gif
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fantastic image quality maybe (*read IS COMPLETELY) subjective ! , I prefer LCD-TFT to CRT, get over it. I have good eyesight and an eye for good colour graduation and the correct gamma, black levels a monitor should produce too.

As I've already said, there is nothing subjective about black levels and pixel response.

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it wouldn't matter if the screen pushed 500W or 1000w and gave off tonnes of heat...

In case you haven't noticed, we're posting on overclock.net. Forgive me for thinking that power consumption and heat aren't primary concerns around here.
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As I've already said, there is nothing subjective about black levels and pixel response.

I see the point you are making and appreciate that, but this isn't strictly true. People have different tolerances to both of those things and what they find acceptable will differ - so it is subjective. Just because you can measure something (black point is very measureable) doesn't change the fact that people's past experiences differ. Indeed perception based on their room lighting and the screen surface can change things further - not to mention people have different tolerances to uniformity issues stemming from angle-dependent 'glow' and uniformity issues. What people can tolerate in terms of pixel responsiveness also varies massively and goes some way to explain why some people are happy to use most IPS, PLS or in some cases VA panel monitors for gaming whilst others swear by their 120Hz TN panels. CRTs are better than the lot of them in that respect, you can't argue with that - nobody should find LCDs superior for responsiveness, subjectively or otherwise. As a monitor reviewer who receives feedback from friends, colleagues and other users on a broad range of monitors every day the importance of subjectivity is drilled into me.
Edited by PCM2 - 9/18/12 at 3:42am
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As I've already said, there is nothing subjective about black levels and pixel response.
Oh, and another thing:
In case you haven't noticed, we're posting on overclock.net. Forgive me for thinking that power consumption and heat aren't primary concerns around here.

Last time i checked ocn has lots of people who care about heat and power... thats the most stupid leverage youve made thus far
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