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I'm have an issue with one of the BIOS. I'm using the second BIOS for now but I still can't access the first BIOS.

This happened when I chaged the iGPU to PEG. Now the BIOS hangs at "62" with no video.
I tried CMOS and removing the CMOS battery, BIOS still doesn't reset back to default settings.

Any ideas? Thanks.
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You're very welcome! Well your idle temps aren't going to go very low because you're on a fixed voltage. I idle at about 34-36 with the 212 EVO at 1.18v when I had voltage on auto it would dip down to .9ish and i would idle at 29-30. It seems like Ivy Bridge CPUs are VERY VERY VERY sensitive to voltage. (I came from an AMD CPU so this is all fairly new to me as well). As far as Windows...i use Windows 7...I wouldn't trust what windows says about temps. I use a program called "REAL TEMP" very low profile I think i got it on GURU3D or something. CPU-Z is the same for me. I have fixed 1.18v in bios and in CPU-Z it shows 1.168v-1.176v then under load it stables out but below 1.18. (that I believe is known as the "VDROOP") I've never gotten it to do EXACTLY what I have in bios. About the CPU clock I usually go by what it says in CPU-Z mine is currently at 4222 (but also fluctuates slightly 4221.77-4222.21) The fact that you can run 4.2GHZ at 1.12 i think is pretty good. I hope mine goes pretty low as well but I have more testing to do. Hope this clears some stuff up.

yeah i guess i didnt think about the ambient is gonna keep a chip still running a bit high so my idle is close to stock and the max is around 70 C so im pretty happy being on air for now biggrin.gif (nh d-14 doing work haha) I have an EVO that ill likely put onto a htpc/second pc build i wanna do in a few months, its a BA cooler from what i've heard and read

yes that clears up my worries about the fluctuations of the volts and such! how does you cpu go to 4222 though? mine fluxes from 4199.88-4200.13 lol. are you running 4.2 ghz as well or are you running 1.18 v at 4.6 ghz?

yeah i was having issues with my windows 7 CD and didn't want to rebuy an aging operating system (totally valid and great OS , i just thought i might as well try Win 8 since its newer) I like it a lot after installing some apps to add a few features back to it, but yeah i wish for my own stability sake i was overclocking in win 7 because thats what almost anyone here is running and has the most knowledge or expereince with so little quirks like my task manager showing 5 GHZ is some new issue lol

But ill download real temp as well and see what it tells me. I trust the cpu-z and core temp ghz readings and it just hit the one hour of prime stable mark (thanks to you haha) so I think its going well, i may have a few more questions about the settings but im pretty satisfied now that its working haha. 1.12 is technically undervolting this chip isn't it since the stock or factory set i thought i read was 1.18 v ?

I'm excited to water cool this bad boy once i graduate! copper pipes!

so for now the idle:

40 C with 1.104 V

load : 71 C with 1.096 V

with 100% offset on. but i dunno if my C-state stuff is on or not should it be?

proof biggrin.gif

Edited by oats2012 - 3/16/13 at 3:00pm
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post #2333 of 3633
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I'm have an issue with one of the BIOS. I'm using the second BIOS for now but I still can't access the first BIOS.

This happened when I chaged the iGPU to PEG. Now the BIOS hangs at "62" with no video.
I tried CMOS and removing the CMOS battery, BIOS still doesn't reset back to default settings.

Any ideas? Thanks.

 

What type of keyboard are you using? USB or PS2?

 

**Also - with certain BIOS on this board, you can "force hang b2/62" on POST by pushing Delete before the 9c code on startup.

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well it might be a "silicon lottery" type thing where you just can't push past 4.8 or get it stable there....but i really can't speculate on that although i think 4.6 is almost a sure thing which you've obviously already tried and secured. i think bsod is a possibility for anything thats outside operational spec ( overclocking specs are different for each chip so its conceivable that 1.4 v may just be too much for that chip to work at all hence blue screen)

have you tried lower volts than 1.28? ( im sure you have) but it might be an issue of backing it off just ever so slightly to like 1.278-1.275 and that be enough to keep the chip running but not hit that over the top threshold and give bsod

one thing i've read places is set you ram pretty low for overclocking initially. like if you have 1866 ram run it at 1600 and get your 4.8 cpu stable 100% then up your ram to its rated speeds and check again/ tweak it into all being stable. the 4.8 with volts you have may be stable but ram might be adding a instability for now that your not gonna catch

Ive done some quick tests.
1st test - I have a stable 24/7 overclock 4.7GHZ@1.25V. So just for the sake of this test I put 1.4V -> Immediate BSOD in prime95 blend. So its not the problem with 4.8GHZ frequency.
2nd test - my memory has a xmp profile - 1666MHZ@1.65V and default profile - 1333MHZ@1.5V. If I leave it at default, it wont even boot at 4.7GHZ@1.4V. But if I set it to 1.65V so its 1333MHZ@1.65 it boots again but gives immediate bsod in test again. This is tricky.
Edited by Icydead - 3/16/13 at 2:43pm
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Ive done some quick tests.
1st test - I have a stable 24/7 overclock 4.7GHZ@1.25V. So just for the sake of this test I put 1.4V -> Immediate BSOD in prime95 blend. So its not the problem with 4.8GHZ frequency.
2nd test - my memory has a xmp profile - 1666MHZ@1.65V and default profile - 1333MHZ@1.5V. If I leave it at default, it wont even boot at 4.7GHZ@1.4V. But if I set it to 1.65V so its 1333MHZ@1.65 it boots again but gives immediate bsod in test again. This is tricky.

that is strange. so your saying memory one its lower settings is worse than with it ramped up? can you boot into 4.7 with 1.4V ? because my logic is if 4.7 will run with 1.4V then voltage isnt the issue, but if not then volts is problem and 4.8 should be doable with correct volts (but the window for the correct one may be tiny tiny and you'll have to find it painfully slowly trying many combos)
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yeah i guess i didnt think about the ambient is gonna keep a chip still running a bit high so my idle is close to stock and the max is around 70 C so im pretty happy being on air for now biggrin.gif (nh d-14 doing work haha) I have an EVO that ill likely put onto a htpc/second pc build i wanna do in a few months, its a BA cooler from what i've heard and read

yes that clears up my worries about the fluctuations of the volts and such! how does you cpu go to 4222 though? mine fluxes from 4199.88-4200.13 lol. are you running 4.2 ghz as well or are you running 1.18 v at 4.6 ghz?

yeah i was having issues with my windows 7 CD and didn't want to rebuy an aging operating system (totally valid and great OS , i just thought i might as well try Win 8 since its newer) I like it a lot after installing some apps to add a few features back to it, but yeah i wish for my own stability sake i was overclocking in win 7 because thats what almost anyone here is running and has the most knowledge or expereince with so little quirks like my task manager showing 5 GHZ is some new issue lol

But ill download real temp as well and see what it tells me. I trust the cpu-z and core temp ghz readings and it just hit the one hour of prime stable mark (thanks to you haha) so I think its going well, i may have a few more questions about the settings but im pretty satisfied now that its working haha. 1.12 is technically undervolting this chip isn't it since the stock or factory set i thought i read was 1.18 v ?

I'm excited to water cool this bad boy once i graduate! copper pipes!

so for now the idle:

40 C with 1.104 V

load : 71 C with 1.096 V

with 100% offset on. but i dunno if my C-state stuff is on or not should it be?

proof biggrin.gif

Haha I CAN ONLY WISH I was doing 4.6ghz at 1.18. I have a 3570k and I lost the "Silicon Lottery". I'm currently at 4.2Ghz at 1.18v. In order for me to get 4.3ghz stable I need 1.26v sucks for me. I'm not sure what the stock voltage is for the 3770K but your results are pretty awesome. Mine goes above 4.2ghz because I believe the BLK is not exactly 100 its 100.52 I never went back and changed it to make it exactly 100. As far as the Windows 7 disk...you can always download one and just use your cd key. I put my Windows setup on a usb stick with the windows 7 usb tool...installs in like 5 minutes. its incredible. I don't use windows 8 because im a big Steam guy, and last i heard it didnt work with it? Not sure how it is now but W7 is a solid OS. I always check this forum so I can help if you ever have questions. I'm new to the forum but i've always checked it and read up on the mobo ever since I got it. I came from an AMD 955BE and Crosshair IV Formula. I don't think i'll be going back to AMD any time soon. I lost faith in Asus when they didn't officially support BD or PD when they said they would. I'm glad I was able to help. Probably go through and see if i can help some of the other people having trouble. Oh also the C state stuff gets disabled when you change CPU CORE VOLTAGE from auto smile.gif

Take care!
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that is strange. so your saying memory one its lower settings is worse than with it ramped up? can you boot into 4.7 with 1.4V ? because my logic is if 4.7 will run with 1.4V then voltage isnt the issue, but if not then volts is problem and 4.8 should be doable with correct volts (but the window for the correct one may be tiny tiny and you'll have to find it painfully slowly trying many combos)

Lets set 4.8GHZ aside for a while and focus on this -

4.7GHZ@1.25 - 24/7 stable.
4.7GHZ@1.4V -> boot into os, but throws immediate bsod in prime.

In both cases the memory is set to xmp profile, which is 1666MHZ@1.65V. Once I set memory to its default profile which is 1333MHZ@1.5V, it doesnt even boot at 4.7GHZ@1.4V anymore. But If I just change memory voltage to 1.65V but leave it at 1333MHZ, it boots into os again but throws immediate bsod in prime. Im currently still at this stage because I kinda dont know what to do anymore. Maybe soe playing with ppl voltages and such, but in that Im kinda noob.
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Lets set 4.8GHZ aside for a while and focus on this -

4.7GHZ@1.25 - 24/7 stable.
4.7GHZ@1.4V -> boot into os, but throws immediate bsod in prime.

In both cases the memory is set to xmp profile, which is 1666MHZ@1.65V. Once I set memory to its default profile which is 1333MHZ@1.5V, it doesnt even boot at 4.7GHZ@1.4V anymore. But If I just change memory voltage to 1.65V but leave it at 1333MHZ, it boots into os again but throws immediate bsod in prime. Im currently still at this stage because I kinda dont know what to do anymore. Maybe soe playing with ppl voltages and such, but in that Im kinda noob.

im just trying to understand why your trying to feed it 1.4 v when its stable at 1.25?

from what you just said with the cpu failing at 1.4 v and the memory not working at 1.65 v to me thats iron clad proof that too many volts can cause instability. does it boot 4.7 @ 1.25 v with 1333 mem at 1.5 v ? like why are you trying to boot 4.7 @ 1.4 and then say the mem isnt working at 1.5v?

im thinking 1.4 is just too much for your chip period, and the memory wont play nice with higher volts unless its speeds match the need. thats why at 1333 its not working at higher voltage memory setting bc it doesnt need it

I guess please explain why for a given setting if you've found it to be stable why your trying to just push more volts? am i missing something?
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On the mpower board where there are yellow strips on the metal heat sinks if i cut some black tape and put it on there will this cause any probelms
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On the mpower board where there are yellow strips on the metal heat sinks if i cut some black tape and put it on there will this cause any probelms

although its not maybe my first choice (being cautious). BUT if you use electrical tape and put it strictly over the yellow only (dont droop it off on to or touch board pcb. It should be fine. I see no issue really in doing that since the tape is non conductive, and those are just heatsinks. So it should be fine, but some may not recommend it just for the sake of caution
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