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post #711 of 3633
Here is a first up full test
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Edited by Tyreman - 11/13/12 at 4:34am
post #712 of 3633
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Originally Posted by SonDa5 View Post

Corrupted BIOS is probably due to bad flashes from unstable RAM/over clocking settings.

That's a tad of a generalization, isn't it? You're having your own problems with your BIOS, but you wave theirs off as user error?

I don't know about anyone else, but I always set the board to default settings before flashing the BIOS on any board. That's pretty much standard procedure, isn't it?

I'll have to let the affected guys answer for themselves as to what each of them did prior to the BIOS flashing.
post #713 of 3633

There are a lot of comments in here from folks that really should be reading and educating themselves a bit more before they start pushing buttons to OC to the moon. rolleyes.gif

 

 For starters:  Dont try to OC your RAM 400mhz if you dont know what type of IC's you have ... understanding the difference between "advertised" and actual/base clock is important as well.

 

**Not to poke or prod.. but read something for yourself to understand a bit more before seeking knowledge from folks that have been doing it for years. Sure we can regurgitate all sorts of numbers/settings etc...  some of them which may be useful.. Ultimately, if YOU understand what YOU are doing... helping YOU should be that much more productive! thumb.gif

 

 Last - dont OC RAM and CPU together when testing... this is a fail way to test for stability. Push one... then the other... this is how you will get to a "higher" level than previous with your OC.

 

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post #714 of 3633
Hello !

Can someone help me to make an intel 2500K overclock to 4.5Ghz on MSI Mpower, had an Asus P8P67 PRO before and from there it was a breeze to climb up to 5GHz, only climb multipicator and voltage. I tried the same with this board, I've booted windows and got BSOD!
post #715 of 3633
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Originally Posted by TheGoat Eater View Post


Please get back to me on the following issues -
Error 72 - RAM mfg/model/spec/config, all BIOS version & settings, detailed account of issues, troubleshooting steps taken, also all other HW in system and system specifics about build --- all as specific and as detailed as possible
Flashing BIOS - Please report if you have a corrupted BIOS all the steps you took to flash. I want you to tell me if you loaded all the defaults and saved/reboot ( f6>f10>into bios> mflash). please be clear and honest so we can nail down the cause.


1) There is no XMP profile on my board that I can see, un less I'm missing something. Error 72 came up as I was trying to set up the ram to run 1866 with 11-11-11- 28-1T and 1.45v. These modules have been tested to run up to 2133 @ 9-10-10-30-1T and 1.575v on an X79 board confirmed by Reefa_Madness. These are the modules I got from him.Ram modules are Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US PC3 12800 4gb sticks x 4 = newegg link

I started at stock/defaults. Went into bios just to overclock the cpu first. All power saving features disabled (C1E, EIST, etc). Raised the cpu multi to 40 at stock volts and rebooted, no problems. I then proceeded to try a bit higher to 44 and raised the vcore to 1.3v and again rebooted, no problems. Then I decided to try the ram. Rebooted and went into the bios, navigated to oc tab and proceeded. Left everything on AUTO except for ram speed which I set to 1866 and dram voltage upped to 1.45v. Saved and rebooted. Upon the reboot I checked the debug LED and it hung at 72. Pressed and held PWR till it powered off. Waited several minutes then powered up again, went thru boot cycle and again hung at 72. The rest is on post # 692

As for the reflash: I d/led the latest bios file (H4-17.4) Unzipped and extracted to USB Flash/thumb drive.
Booted with bios "B" Get into bios running everything at their defaults
Flip bios switch back to "A" while in bios
I got to Utilities>MFlash
I select USE BIOS FILE TO BOOT or something like that
I Select UPDATE BIOS AND ME
I select USB Thumb drive
I select BIOS file on said thumb drive
Proceeded to flash

Screen shows progress bar with "Flashing" and of course I see the warnings of do not remove usb stick, blah blah. So I wait.....and wait....and wait. It reboots once and then it goes to update the ME. It shows bios was successfully flashed/updated to that effect. I remove usb stick and reboot. That's when it goes downhill from there. It just powers on and off, on and off, on and off in a cycle and that's it. I have to power off the psu, hit the PWR switch so psu drains. I wait a few minutes, flip bios switch to "B" and reboot, then it comes back to life.

I may not have been here long, but I'm a Senior member @ overclockers.com for 10+ years. I've flashed bioses before and never have I bricked a board aside from using a modded bios which I was aware of the risks. I have overclocked every board I've owned in the past 10+ years so I'm sure I do know what I'm doing. I've done every type of cooling aside from LN2. I've also done volt mods to video cards and motherboards and ran my share of benchmarking, so again I'm sure I know what I'm doing. As new boards/chipsets/ram/ cpu's come into play, I do my research and stay current and up-to-date along with my fellow overclockers to what hardware is capable of doing what.

What CL3P20 posted was, how should I put this, with good intentions, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions. I'm sure he wasn't directing that post to me, but I found it to be insulting and degrading. If it was not, then I apologize. We're all here to seek help and knowledge.
Edited by Nebulous - 11/13/12 at 7:56am
post #716 of 3633

no not at your posting Nebulous.. more inline with the post above yours. Its hard to help the "cant press enough buttons for 5ghz omg!" ... I mean, really.. what can I do with that?

 

 

**As for your issue - I have flashed using similar method.. only did NOT flash ME.. Only the BIOS. I have had to issues so far with the few BIOS updates I have performed. I would use your "good BIOS" to POST and when in your BIOS menu, flip the BIOS switch to the "bad BIOS"... and go back through the flashing procedure.. this time only flash BIOS.. and NOT ME. Once it reboots.. you should have a "restored" BIOS on your previously bad save.

 

 for your mem.. I would not use voltage below 1.5 or 1.52v for Samsung.. though it is totally feasible.. for "Auto" settings - the mobo will "find" tight latency settings... and tertiary timings. From your past experience you may have seen that the measured latency will require "x" amount of voltage regardless of timings used... 

 

ie - ~45ns latency ; 7-7-6-20 @ 800mhz ... RAM needs 1.58v

     ~45ns latency ; 8-8-7-24 @ 1000mhz ... RAM needs 1.58v

 

With that in mind - I think the Auto timings are too tight for the voltage you are running.. causing your RAM errors in POST. Try to keep voltage at least 1.5v and clock from there. While I dont advise it to others - I have been torturing my Samsung on this board pretty tough... running +2400mhz, 9-12-12-17 with ~1.76v... they are very stable and have taken the punishment very well... Over three weeks of 2D and 3D testing at those speeds or higher.. with voltage up to 1.84v so far.

 

...point being.. dont be scared of giving them 1.57v to clock and play around... 1.6v is relatively safe for full 24/7 in my eyes. wink.gif *No hard feelings either.. just had to rant a bit.. folks have to understand.. we are all here to help and learn.. but no one has a 'magic wand'. At some point everyone has to pitch in and start with a little ground work of there own, to give the details needed to those that can help.. otherwise its just a cry in the dark.. know what I mean?

 

 Regards.

post #717 of 3633
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Originally Posted by TheGoat Eater View Post

I do see that you have the memory set up in OC Genie settings - so set the speed to auto under the main oc settings page - also set the all the timings and take off the XMP setting in OC Genie setting. Your memory is working correctly, DDR3 has an actual and effective memory speed - actual speed for 2000MHz is 1000MHz - for ddr3 multiply by 2 - effective speed is 2000MHz . I am working on getting some information to help diagnose the A0 issue.

Set the speed to auto on the first oc settings page and turned off XMP in the OC Genie options page. Only thing I dont see in the OC Genie options page is how to set the timings. Still AO on the board, and still 3.8ghz with no throttling down once load is taken off. Im sure that an easy fix I believe I read something back a bit on someone with the same thing going on. Not that my old AMD cpu ever even throttled, but when its not needed I suppose its not a bad thing to have as an option.
post #718 of 3633
Sorry if I expressed wrong! English is not my first language!

I want to know how to begin to do I overclock to this board somewhere in the 4.2-4.5Ghz I do not want 5GHz. The bios is new to me and complicated.

PS: OC Genie Overclocks my CPU to 4.2 at 1.357v and the IGPU to 1.2v and I dont know the clock! The CPU does not downclock!
Edited by ShadyGaby - 11/13/12 at 9:53am
post #719 of 3633
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Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness View Post

The following have reported having a corrupted BIOS file:
Post # 371 - BIOS A by nagle3092
Post # 446 - BIOS B by Atom03
Post # 692 - BIOS A by Nebulous (I pointed him to this thread when he told me about his ram problem)
Post # 694 - BIOS A by PCWargamer
When Neb told me it had happened to him, I thought it to be an isolated and unique case. He was having problems running those Samsung modules (which I sent him and had them previously at 2133 with 9-10-10-30 1T @ 1.575v) so I came looking thru this thread for possible solutions to the ram issue. As I was reading the thread I came across those other posts of guys having problems with corrupted BIOS.
Is it just me, or does this appear to be a higher than expected number of corrupted BIOS files?

include me. I had a bad bios on the first board I had. It happened after I flashed to the current bios. I tried everything and ended up swtiching to bios B..didnt like the fact that I was using a secondary bios so I returned it to MC. Got a new board and now everything is a-ok.

I take that back..it happened after I tried to OC, I tried to rectify the issue by flashing it to the newest bios and back to old bios to no avail. Apologies fort the bad info.

ShadyGaby, sent you a PM on how to try and set your CPU to run at the desired speed.

I do have to admit though, the Bios is pretty hard to navigate. I've used the Asus and Gigabyte UEFI bios and they were not as difficult to navigate. It could be that I do not have an extensive knowledge of overclocking but the way MSI has thier bios options spread and then broken down into so many "sub" options is very confusing.

It was very disappointing to see that after an overclock I had to change NUMEROUS settings to have my cpu downclock and drop voltage at idle. The complexity of the Bios was daunting to me. I am actually a bit intimidated to try any overclocks. Don't get me wrong I like this board a lot but it will take time for me to be comfortable with it. this, to me, is definattly not an " Overclocker in Training"s board
Edited by Blatsz32 - 11/13/12 at 10:24am
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You are so right! Msi is in another league compared to my old board. It will take some time to learn how to do a proper overclock!

Thank you very much for help!
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