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Originally Posted by CL3P20 View Post

no not at your posting Nebulous.. more inline with the post above yours. Its hard to help the "cant press enough buttons for 5ghz omg!" ... I mean, really.. what can I do with that?


**As for your issue - I have flashed using similar method.. only did NOT flash ME.. Only the BIOS. I have had to issues so far with the few BIOS updates I have performed. I would use your "good BIOS" to POST and when in your BIOS menu, flip the BIOS switch to the "bad BIOS"... and go back through the flashing procedure.. this time only flash BIOS.. and NOT ME. Once it reboots.. you should have a "restored" BIOS on your previously bad save.

 for your mem.. I would not use voltage below 1.5 or 1.52v for Samsung.. though it is totally feasible.. for "Auto" settings - the mobo will "find" tight latency settings... and tertiary timings. From your past experience you may have seen that the measured latency will require "x" amount of voltage regardless of timings used... 

ie - ~45ns latency ; 7-7-6-20 @ 800mhz ... RAM needs 1.58v
     ~45ns latency ; 8-8-7-24 @ 1000mhz ... RAM needs 1.58v

With that in mind - I think the Auto timings are too tight for the voltage you are running.. causing your RAM errors in POST. Try to keep voltage at least 1.5v and clock from there. While I dont advise it to others - I have been torturing my Samsung on this board pretty tough... running +2400mhz, 9-12-12-17 with ~1.76v... they are very stable and have taken the punishment very well... Over three weeks of 2D and 3D testing at those speeds or higher.. with voltage up to 1.84v so far.

...point being.. dont be scared of giving them 1.57v to clock and play around... 1.6v is relatively safe for full 24/7 in my eyes. wink.gif  *No hard feelings either.. just had to rant a bit.. folks have to understand.. we are all here to help and learn.. but no one has a 'magic wand'. At some point everyone has to pitch in and start with a little ground work of there own, to give the details needed to those that can help.. otherwise its just a cry in the dark.. know what I mean?

 Regards.

Ahh, understood. Again my apologies. Now to get to the issue at hand wink.gif

I tried your suggestion about flashing the bad bios and tried your method twice. Once it completed and was trying to reboot, it does the same on-off-on-off cycle and fails to boot with bios switch to "A" bios sadsmiley.gif However I did notice that while in good bios "B" while Re-flashing the bad "A" bios upon completion the debug LED displayed 15, which I thought was a sign of life. Once it shut itself off and tried to reboot, that was the end of it. Same results: On-off-on-off-on-off cycle and doesn't go beyond that point mad.gif

As for the sammys: I manually set the timings for 1600@ 11-11-11-28-1T Dram voltage @ 1.6v and rebooted. No problems. I went back into bios and tried just 1866 with same timings/voltage and again it failed to boot sadsmiley.gif I've pretty much given up on these. Awaiting on G.SKILL Sniper Series F3-17000CL11D-8GBSR as the Kingstons I was going to get tested faulty and were RMA'ed.

Appreciate the help and suggestions.

-Neb-
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Originally Posted by ShadyGaby View Post

Sorry if I expressed wrong! English is not my first language!

I want to know how to begin to do I overclock to this board somewhere in the 4.2-4.5Ghz I do not want 5GHz. The bios is new to me and complicated.

PS: OC Genie Overclocks my CPU to 4.2 at 1.357v and the IGPU to 1.2v and I dont know the clock! The CPU does not downclock!

 

 I am putting together a small video on the BIOS with some basic OC settings... It will take me a bit to edit and host.. but I will post it here once its finished. Sounds like you are having the same issue as some others here in getting your CPU to clock down in your OS on idle. I will see if I can recreate the problem and "fix" as well in my vid. 

 

edit - @ Neb - maybe some of the settings there will help you as well... who knows.

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Thanks a lot! This is a extremely good idea
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Originally Posted by Nebulous View Post

1) There is no XMP profile on my board that I can see, un less I'm missing something. Error 72 came up as I was trying to set up the ram to run 1866 with 11-11-11- 28-1T and 1.45v. These modules have been tested to run up to 2133 @ 9-10-10-30-1T and 1.575v on an X79 board confirmed by Reefa_Madness. These are the modules I got from him.Ram modules are Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US PC3 12800 4gb sticks x 4 = newegg link
I started at stock/defaults. Went into bios just to overclock the cpu first. All power saving features disabled (C1E, EIST, etc). Raised the cpu multi to 40 at stock volts and rebooted, no problems. I then proceeded to try a bit higher to 44 and raised the vcore to 1.3v and again rebooted, no problems. Then I decided to try the ram. Rebooted and went into the bios, navigated to oc tab and proceeded. Left everything on AUTO except for ram speed which I set to 1866 and dram voltage upped to 1.45v. Saved and rebooted. Upon the reboot I checked the debug LED and it hung at 72. Pressed and held PWR till it powered off. Waited several minutes then powered up again, went thru boot cycle and again hung at 72. The rest is on post # 692

*snip*

I may not have been here long, but I'm a Senior member @ overclockers.com for 10+ years. I've flashed bioses before and never have I bricked a board aside from using a modded bios which I was aware of the risks. I have overclocked every board I've owned in the past 10+ years so I'm sure I do know what I'm doing. I've done every type of cooling aside from LN2. I've also done volt mods to video cards and motherboards and ran my share of benchmarking, so again I'm sure I know what I'm doing. As new boards/chipsets/ram/ cpu's come into play, I do my research and stay current and up-to-date along with my fellow overclockers to what hardware is capable of doing what.
What CL3P20 posted was, how should I put this, with good intentions, but the road to hell was paved with good intentions. I'm sure he wasn't directing that post to me, but I found it to be insulting and degrading. If it was not, then I apologize. We're all here to seek help and knowledge.
Please remember that x79 and z77 will be different with memory capabilities due to different IMCs and actual physical differences. Compounding that with the current gen's IMC makes things more difficult as the functionality from CPU to CPU. This can be greatly varied, as seen by extreme overclockers pushing memory to the limits there are differences in all areas of memory capability between CPUs on the same platform and settings (save for the memory). I always try to stress to everyone that even with same parts there is no way that everything will be the same as all parts are different.

Hopefully what I will suggest next will work for you as you should be familiar with flashing via DOS. I am checking on with MSI if my idea should work before I go into it. So I will have another suggestions soon for you.

I am sorry if you took that from me as well. I just know that there are many many people new to overclocking and terms here - and exponentially more that are not registered of commenting. I learned a ton of what I know from reading forums so getting as much information down it the easiest to digest format is ideal for this.

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Originally Posted by ride1226 View Post

Set the speed to auto on the first oc settings page and turned off XMP in the OC Genie options page. Only thing I dont see in the OC Genie options page is how to set the timings. Still AO on the board, and still 3.8ghz with no throttling down once load is taken off. Im sure that an easy fix I believe I read something back a bit on someone with the same thing going on. Not that my old AMD cpu ever even throttled, but when its not needed I suppose its not a bad thing to have as an option.
The timings will be set from the main OC page, after setting linked, I am trying to get some information that will make it easier to help diagnose and troubleshoot POST codes that are reserved ( not standard ) as i too think it is something simple that is being overlooked.
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Originally Posted by ShadyGaby View Post

Sorry if I expressed wrong! English is not my first language!
I want to know how to begin to do I overclock to this board somewhere in the 4.2-4.5Ghz I do not want 5GHz. The bios is new to me and complicated.
PS: OC Genie Overclocks my CPU to 4.2 at 1.357v and the IGPU to 1.2v and I dont know the clock! The CPU does not downclock!
If you are not working with someone can you you list all your system specs, what you have tried up to now. Also please let us know your familiarity level of working with BIOS and overclocking.
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Originally Posted by Blatsz32 View Post

include me. I had a bad bios on the first board I had. It happened after I flashed to the current bios. I tried everything and ended up swtiching to bios B..didnt like the fact that I was using a secondary bios so I returned it to MC. Got a new board and now everything is a-ok.
I take that back..it happened after I tried to OC, I tried to rectify the issue by flashing it to the newest bios and back to old bios to no avail. Apologies fort the bad info.
ShadyGaby, sent you a PM on how to try and set your CPU to run at the desired speed.
I do have to admit though, the Bios is pretty hard to navigate. I've used the Asus and Gigabyte UEFI bios and they were not as difficult to navigate. It could be that I do not have an extensive knowledge of overclocking but the way MSI has thier bios options spread and then broken down into so many "sub" options is very confusing.
It was very disappointing to see that after an overclock I had to change NUMEROUS settings to have my cpu downclock and drop voltage at idle. The complexity of the Bios was daunting to me. I am actually a bit intimidated to try any overclocks. Don't get me wrong I like this board a lot but it will take time for me to be comfortable with it. this, to me, is definattly not an " Overclocker in Training"s board
So if I read this correctly you had an issue flash to the newest bios and then had issues flashing back to an older bios - thus not having a curropt bios? Did you attempt to flash in DOS ( always the best way) as it would be the ideal method of going back. I definitely think peronally that this bios is much much easier to use - compared to my Sabertooth it is no contest ( so many unneeded settings compounded by the fact that it is terribly organized and a headache to navigate. Due to that I think that this board is good for beginning as it is easy to navigate, though I agree that it can be daunting with an overclocking board in general when starting out. Seeing all the setiings and having some idea what they do and No clue what the hell others are.
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Originally Posted by Nebulous View Post

Appreciate the help and suggestions.
-Neb-
I hope I am helping lol, I am trying to get a solution for the BIOS flashing, and I have spent many hours testing this board... Sometimes up to 70 hours a week. I know other are reading this and thinking holy hell lol, and to them I say that overclocking takes time - to do it correctly it takes a hell of a lot of time. like cl3p20 said - one setting at time - that can equal for me one digit of timing difference change - tested (up to 1hour~), and compound this by so many settings that you tick up or down and you can see its insane. Not to mention that extreme overclocking takes an even greater amount of time (insulating a board can take me an hour or more). With both forms of overclocking I tune the OS, practice and test tweaks, run tests forever, edit screenshots for records. i admit I tend to burn myself out every month for a while :/ and it is something I try to curb spending so much time doing because of that.
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Originally Posted by CL3P20 View Post

 I am putting together a small video on the BIOS with some basic OC settings... It will take me a bit to edit and host.. but I will post it here once its finished. Sounds like you are having the same issue as some others here in getting your CPU to clock down in your OS on idle. I will see if I can recreate the problem and "fix" as well in my vid. 

edit - @ Neb - maybe some of the settings there will help you as well... who knows.

I too am working on some things and will be having some things to post up soon wink.gif
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This MSI bios si new to me and I`m a bit confused there are too many settings over the old motherboard!
I completed my system but do not know how to post it to be seen!
I tried to set my voltage to 1.300v and multiplier 40 and after 42 it's the only thing I tried after I was stuck in fog multitude of voltages, settings, etc.

So Im a newbie on this board! I do not want to do something stupid.
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I picked up one of these boards this last weekend. I love it so far. I simply installed my components and installed the disk that came with it in the box and PRESTO it worked ( bios 17.4). no issues so far. I did push the OC button and instant 4.2 with my new 3570K to go with it. it has changed my life with builds. I used to be all AMD, but i don't think i will be going back anytime soon. I will get to overclocking in the bios as soon as i can find the time not enjoying the way games play with this upgrade. I have read all of the posts in this thread and most of them twice. I am confient that the info i need to OC past the preset 4.2 that i am at now is in this thread, but am looking forward to reading more as no two OC's are the same and any references in this thread are to help me go in the right direction. THIS IS A GREAT THREAD. I have read threads on other MB's and this one is as good as they get ( the 990fx sabertooth one is pretty good as well, but it is AMD and that was yesterday's news). Thanks again for all the great posts and keep them up.
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TheGoat Eater,

I am truly greatful for all the time, patience, testing and posting up of all your results regarding the MPower board. Your review was part of a few I've read that helped me make my decision (and of course the super deal I got it for helped as well biggrin.gif) to get this board over the ASRock. Your knowledge and helpfulness is extremely valuable to me and to all the other members who have this board.

I apologize again if my post was "abrasive" and my behavior was unprofessional. It was not my intention to come out that way. This particular thread has been very helpful as a whole and has helped me diagnose my problem. So far I have not given up hope, thank you!

I'll try any suggestions you may have in order to fix my bios problem. I sure wished the bios chips were of the socketed type. This way we're able to do a hot flash and repair the bad bios. Or just purchase a new bios chip and, viola, back in service.
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I’d also like to express my appreciation for all the help people like TheGoat Eater, Reefa Madness, CL3P20, and others are providing on this thread. I expect it can be frustrating at times for you, but you are doing a great service helping others on here. Not all threads are this helpful. thumb.gif
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Hello !
Can someone help me to make an intel 2500K overclock to 4.5Ghz on MSI Mpower, had an Asus P8P67 PRO before and from there it was a breeze to climb up to 5GHz, only climb multipicator and voltage. I tried the same with this board, I've booted windows and got BSOD!

i can boot up my 2600K at 5100 mhz just bumping up the voltage manual to 1.53V and multi to 51, I havent played with the rest of the voltages yet, just DO NOT TOUCH vdroop, that will make your system unstable if you input the wrong values.
    
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Here are my BIOS settings for Overclocking... these are the base for any CPU OC I run.. no matter if its 4.2 or 5.6.. the only things that change from here are volts for CPU and RAM. My intentions in posting these is NOT for users to copy the voltages.. but to pay attention to the POWER settings I am using for higher CPU clocks with HT enabled. By leaving vdroop options set to 100% and switching freq to 2x; my vcore does NOT change in OS.. though CPU frequency does [ I show this in my vid below].

 

 

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 I threw my RAM timings in just for GP.. using Team Dark which have Samsung HCH9 IC's... the listed subtimings are good for my to use up to around 2500mhz with this kit in conjunction with ~1.72 - 1.74v. The timings set and speed above only needs ~1.57v though..

 

**Embedding options not working** if a mod sees this maybe they can edit : Here is the link for my video... http://s265.beta.photobucket.com/user/CL3P20/media/MSI_movie.mp4.html

Below are the BIOS screen shots that correspond to the settings in the video. I show CPU clocking from 1600mhz up to 4400mhz wink.gif

 

 

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 I hope this is of some help to those that are having difficulties with their CPU "sticking" at said clocks.. as well as others that are having a hard time stabilizing OC's beyond 4.5ghz. 


Edited by CL3P20 - 11/13/12 at 4:35pm
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