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I have an Asus DX too and i didn't even try out the onboard sound. I don't think onboard sound can match the quality from the DX, they say that the onboard sound on the Asus Maximus V Formula comes close to it but not the same. So given the fact that the Mpower has a lesser audio chip than the Asus i never bothered to even try it out.

i had my doubts that it would be comparable. sound is not going to be a deal breaker for me. over all i looks like a really good board. it would be my first msi though. still a little nervous. but i feel pretty confident from what i've read on it...reviews and this thread. its looking like i'm going to have to order it from amazon, seems newegg sold out. any good deals pop up,plz post
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I got mine at microcenter I payed like 154 for it.. with a 40 off promotion with CPU bundle. I know tiger bundles the I7 with it for 429.99..not bad...but I only payed 379.99 for my combo at micro. I would just buy one at 200..the board is absolutely worth 250 in my book
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I also can't comment on the on-board sound as I use my Titanium HD with this rig. I'm sure you'd be better off sticking with the sound card for pc / bookshelf speakers, or headphones. If outputting to a receiver, then obviously the on-board optical would be fine.
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def let me know if your ram can be overclocked any?

I just have the 1600 kit, and so far 2133 and 2000 didn't seem to fair too well when I briefly attempted it last night, I'll try 1866 tonight. If I can get that going I'll be happy, if not I may look into getting a faster kit. After my initial testing I would say you should probably just order whatever speed you are interested in running, but I'll let you know if more volts, or looser timings help. I tried CL 10 and 1.65V on 2133, and 2000 last night but that didn't POST.
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I just have the 1600 kit, and so far 2133 and 2000 didn't seem to fair too well when I briefly attempted it last night, I'll try 1866 tonight. If I can get that going I'll be happy, if not I may look into getting a faster kit. After my initial testing I would say you should probably just order whatever speed you are interested in running, but I'll let you know if more volts, or looser timings help. I tried CL 10 and 1.65V on 2133, and 2000 last night but that didn't POST.

I use G.skil low profile ares blue PC17000 2133Mhz 4X4Go on my Mpower Z77 and I was stable at 2666Mhz under 1.65V max Voltage for this memory (i choosed this one because my rad is silverarrow SB-E)

I 'm not so lucky for I7 3770k CPU overclock, impossible to make better than 4.5Ghz stable under 1.29V....
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But a good article about memory and frequency shows, after 2400Mhz, performance gain is poor for Ivy bride configs:)
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Just curious if you had the Aux 6pin plugged into the mobo when you were testing 210's or not... 

I didn't then, but have tried it now. Along with different dvi & vga cables, every driver from 191.03 up, & 4 os versions of x86 & x64. Taking the OSes that I installed with the mpower, if I plug them into a different board the cards work fine. My geforce 6800 also has no pci-e power input & runs fine in the mpower.
The mpower just seems to dislike the little gt 210.

Edit: I forgot to mention XP, I'm trying to use this card for the gt210 competition so it has to be in XP. The card does work in win7 in the mpower, but scores in win 7 suck.
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But a good article about memory and frequency shows, after 2400Mhz, performance gain is poor for Ivy bride configs:)

Could be a price/performance deal, like the xbit article that showed the 1600mhz memory being the best for sandy bridge. 2600mhz & up kits get expensive, they can be better performance but the price/performance factor nosedives. Superpi 32m is a decent test of memory efficiency, I could not beat my 2600mhz score running 2400Mhz with tighter timings.
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just wanted to drop back by and say thx for the help. just made my purchase from amazon so i didnt get no free ram. i'll be setting this up in a haf xb case also:thumb: will post some pic's of the board this weekend.
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Just curious if you had the Aux 6pin plugged into the mobo when you were testing 210's or not... 

I didn't then, but have tried it now. Along with different dvi & vga cables, every driver from 191.03 up, & 4 os versions of x86 & x64. Taking the OSes that I installed with the mpower, if I plug them into a different board the cards work fine. My geforce 6800 also has no pci-e power input & runs fine in the mpower.
The mpower just seems to dislike the little gt 210.

Edit: I forgot to mention XP, I'm trying to use this card for the gt210 competition so it has to be in XP. The card does work in win7 in the mpower, but scores in win 7 suck.
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But a good article about memory and frequency shows, after 2400Mhz, performance gain is poor for Ivy bride configs:)

Could be a price/performance deal, like the xbit article that showed the 1600mhz memory being the best for sandy bridge. 2600mhz & up kits get expensive, they can be better performance but the price/performance factor nosedives. Superpi 32m is a decent test of memory efficiency, I could not beat my 2600mhz score running 2400Mhz with tighter timings.

 

Thats a strange one with the 210 for certain! You PM Alex with that? - Did you get a 'turbo cache' model GPU by chance? If not.. Im really clueless now. I have only had that sort of issue once before with a DFI 775skt mobo that would not work with my Diamond 3870.. thought I was crazy for the longest time..wasnt a fluke though. Board definitely freaked and would not even POST with GPU.. worked fine with at least 6x others.

 

**As for the "Performance over 2600mhz" .. I can vouch for some of that.. I think generally though its due to crap memory. I mean : With Ivy its easier than ever to tune 400+mhz out of a mediocre  memory kit... like my Team for example. 

 

2133mhz stock.. easily runs stable for bench use and 3D - above 2400mhz, 9-11-11-21 with 1.77v .. benches 2D @ 2666mhz 10-13-13-31 with 1.85v ... on air.. no worries... for months now.

 

Overall.. I have to scale CAS, and tRCD along with tertiary timings; to keep latency above 46ns as the speed increases..otherwise the RAM is not stable. Due to this.. I get only very marginal bandwidth increases.. and latency stays overall the same. Examples below for my testing thus far using the Z77 Mpower and Samsung HCH9

 

ie- 2200mhz: 9-11-11-17, 1.77v tighest secondary mobo will allow; tight tertiarty timing = ~47ns and 24GB/s Read & Copy bandwidth

    2400mhz : 9-11-11-24, 1.77v with tight subs and tertiary timings =  ~47ns and ~26GB/s Read & Copy bandwidth

    2600mhz : 10-13-13-31, 1.85v loosened tertiary timings only = ~47ns and ~27GB/s Read & Copy bandwidth

 

 

 Now - these results would be VERY different running RAM capable of 8-11-8-24 ... or better at these speeds.. and THAT is the RAM that you would see much larger increases in bandwidth and lower latency ranges with over 2400mhz and especially over 2600mhz. Ideally, I would want to keep my RAM at the 2200mhz timing set.. and scale voltage and speed until I was at 2400 or 2600mhz... Latency would be in the high 30ns range then.. bandwidth much much higher than my results.

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Memory tuning is something I am completely unfamiliar with. I find it strange that I had to loosen my timings to get my memory to run at the advertised 2000mhz. Its the 8gb corsair dominator kit. Now, I have the option to get new ram from a deal I am working with family on a desperate build. I need to purchase ram for that PC and could simply give them my corsair kit and keep whatever kit I decide on. Has anyone had spectacular luck with a certain kit for really tuning well. My corsair kit became unstable at 2133 so I'm not sure how I could ever push it further without really loosening timings.
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