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post #691 of 2725
11/12/12 at 8:41am
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That was for you - set the 9-11-11-28 in linked memory at 2000 with timings set manually (vertical down) and set memory voltage to 1.68v-1.7v ~ and move the memory to the closest socket to the cpu and the other "sister socket" two spaces away. while you are at it set the cpu voltage to 1.07v for the time being as the auto tends to overdo it a bit. try that and see how it does
I will say - helping to troubleshoot over text is hard when it comes to OC as there are so many variables, configurations, subtleties, and even behavior that I am used to in person after how many years and god knows how many parts. So this definitely is made into a challenge when done over the internet so I appoligize if I ask so much or it takes a while - as even one digit can throw off the OC,

No problem at all. I just appreciate the help because I have never had issues with a system right out of the box. Only ever had problems when I start messing with things. Sounds like the AUTO voltage could be why I am seeing high temps at a stock clock. I'll hopefully get to mess with the rig when I get home from work this evening and will try your settings. Hopefully some time this week I can catch you on Skype to help ease the pain of forum trouble shooting something so technical.
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11/12/12 at 10:32am
Hey guyz maybe someone can she light here. First here's my pic:

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Board: MSI Z77 MPower
Chip: 3570K
Ram: 16gb(4x4) Samsung
PC3-12800 MV-3V4G3D/US

Now my problems at hand:

1st Problem:

Went into the bios and started to ramp her up a bit. 4.0Ghgz was a cakewalk at stock voltage. Just multi. Then I got brave and went 44 on the multi and bumped up the vcore a notch to 1.3v. Then I decided to play with the ram.

Ram= 1866, 10-10-10-28-1T- 1.35v
Cpu = x44, 1.3v

Saved and rebooted.....this is when all hell broke loose PC rebooted and got stock at reboot cycle. Would not pass error code 72 on the debug LED.

Powered off, unplug off wall, remove vid cards, remove cmos battery and waited 20 min. Put everything back, press power button..reboots...again stuck at 72 reboot cycle. Read manual and switch over the bios switch to "B" and reboot, finally back at desktop. Go to MSI's site, follow guide to flash corrupted "A" bios repair. Follow it to the letter...and I'm rewarded with a dead primary bios mad.gif

Running back-up bios "B" at 4.3Ghz @1.2V and ram @ 1866, 10-10-10-28-1T- 1.35v .


2nd problem:

My Samsungs were able to run 1866, but now they don't pass stock 1600. No matter what I try, voltages, timings, they will not pass 1600. I even tried just 2 sticks to no avail.


Don't get me wrong I luv this new setup and was looking forward to it as my new upgrade. Now I'm having doubts. Running on secondary bios i'm not happy about, nor am I happy my ram won't run the proven 2133.

ANything I can do about my problems or am I SOL?
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11/12/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by Nebulous View Post

Hey guyz maybe someone can she light here. First here's my pic:
DSC00041.JPG 83k .JPG file
Board: MSI Z77 MPower
Chip: 3570K
Ram: 16gb(4x4) Samsung
PC3-12800 MV-3V4G3D/US
Now my problems at hand:
1st Problem:
Went into the bios and started to ramp her up a bit. 4.0Ghgz was a cakewalk at stock voltage. Just multi. Then I got brave and went 44 on the multi and bumped up the vcore a notch to 1.3v. Then I decided to play with the ram.
Ram= 1866, 10-10-10-28-1T- 1.35v
Cpu = x44, 1.3v
Saved and rebooted.....this is when all hell broke loose PC rebooted and got stock at reboot cycle. Would not pass error code 72 on the debug LED.
Powered off, unplug off wall, remove vid cards, remove cmos battery and waited 20 min. Put everything back, press power button..reboots...again stuck at 72 reboot cycle. Read manual and switch over the bios switch to "B" and reboot, finally back at desktop. Go to MSI's site, follow guide to flash corrupted "A" bios repair. Follow it to the letter...and I'm rewarded with a dead primary bios mad.gif
Running back-up bios "B" at 4.3Ghz @1.2V and ram @ 1866, 10-10-10-28-1T- 1.35v .
2nd problem:
My Samsungs were able to run 1866, but now they don't pass stock 1600. No matter what I try, voltages, timings, they will not pass 1600. I even tried just 2 sticks to no avail.
Don't get me wrong I luv this new setup and was looking forward to it as my new upgrade. Now I'm having doubts. Running on secondary bios i'm not happy about, nor am I happy my ram won't run the proven 2133.
ANything I can do about my problems or am I SOL?

72 is RAM, you need to bump up your voltage a bunch. I found to run sammies on this board you need to keep the voltage at 1.495 or 1.515v, DO NOT go auto (if you put 1.500 it changes to auto) as it will rank the volts up to 1.7v and it killed one of my samsung sets doing that. Next time just power down and hit the clrcmos button on the I/O plate.

I am currently running my second set of samsungs at 9-10-9-1T 2000mhz 1.515v.
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11/12/12 at 1:20pm
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Saved and rebooted.....this is when all hell broke loose PC rebooted and got stock at reboot cycle. Would not pass error code 72 on the debug LED.
Powered off, unplug off wall, remove vid cards, remove cmos battery and waited 20 min. Put everything back, press power button..reboots...again stuck at 72 reboot cycle. Read manual and switch over the bios switch to "B" and reboot, finally back at desktop. Go to MSI's site, follow guide to flash corrupted "A" bios repair. Follow it to the letter...and I'm rewarded with a dead primary bios mad.gif
Running back-up bios "B" at 4.3Ghz @1.2V and ram @ 1866, 10-10-10-28-1T- 1.35v .

72 is RAM, you need to bump up your voltage a bunch. I found to run sammies on this board you need to keep the voltage at 1.495 or 1.515v, DO NOT go auto (if you put 1.500 it changes to auto) as it will rank the volts up to 1.7v and it killed one of my samsung sets doing that. Next time just power down and hit the clrcmos button on the I/O plate.

I am currently running my second set of samsungs at 9-10-9-1T 2000mhz 1.515v.

Good question. I ran into this same issue and tried to fix by doing everything Nebulous tried. It no work.

And I can't get to BIOS to even change the ram votage in the "a" BIOS setting, yet the "b" BIOS setting boots fine on the same ram.

Also I could never get the USB flash to work on the "a" BIOS once this happened, although I could flash the "b" through the USB stick.

So first question: is there something that can be done to get out of the error 72 reboot cycle when it won't allow any USB flash update or ever get back into BIOS again on one a/b switch setting?

A second question: When we replace only the motherboard in a system, and first unload all the drivers, and then boot up the new MB and load its drivers and all the other device drivers fresh, will I need to reload the W7 OS???
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11/12/12 at 1:46pm
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Good question. I ran into this same issue and tried to fix by doing everything Nebulous tried. It no work.
And I can't get to BIOS to even change the ram votage in the "a" BIOS setting, yet the "b" BIOS setting boots fine on the same ram.
Also I could never get the USB flash to work on the "a" BIOS once this happened, although I could flash the "b" through the USB stick.
So first question: is there something that can be done to get out of the error 72 reboot cycle when it won't allow any USB flash update or ever get back into BIOS again on one a/b switch setting?
A second question: When we replace only the motherboard in a system, and first unload all the drivers, and then boot up the new MB and load its drivers and all the other device drivers fresh, will I need to reload the W7 OS???

I'm not sure about the error 72, I've had it and didn't have any issue getting back into BIOS. Sometimes hitting the restart button a few times quickly will force it to proclaim my overclock failed and it will then let me back into the BIOS.

As far as Windows 7, 99% of the time you won't even have to remove the old drivers. If it BSOD when you boot it, make sure the new board is set to AHCI if that was what you are using before, that is the only time I have had a Win 7 migration give me an issue. I used the same OS install on the same drive across 6 different systems with multiple platforms (x58, 1155, 2011, AM3, etc) and it worked fine.
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11/12/12 at 1:52pm
The following have reported having a corrupted BIOS file:

Post # 371 - BIOS A by nagle3092
Post # 446 - BIOS B by Atom03
Post # 692 - BIOS A by Nebulous (I pointed him to this thread when he told me about his ram problem)
Post # 694 - BIOS A by PCWargamer

Subsequent edits/additions:
Post #719 - BIOS A by Blatsz32

When Neb told me it had happened to him, I thought it to be an isolated and unique case. He was having problems running those Samsung modules (which I sent him and had them previously at 2133 with 9-10-10-30 1T @ 1.575v) so I came looking thru this thread for possible solutions to the ram issue. As I was reading the thread I came across those other posts of guys having problems with corrupted BIOS.

Is it just me, or does this appear to be a higher than expected number of corrupted BIOS files?
Edited by Reefa_Madness - 11/13/12 at 1:03pm
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11/12/12 at 2:08pm
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The following have reported having a corrupted BIOS file:
Post # 371 - BIOS A by nagle3092
Post # 446 - BIOS B by Atom03
Post # 692 - BIOS A by Nebulous (I pointed him to this thread when he told me about his ram problem)
Post # 694 - BIOS A by PCWargamer
When Neb told me it had happened to him, I thought it to be an isolated and unique case. He was having problems running those Samsung modules (which I sent him and had them previously at 2133 with 9-10-10-30 1T @ 1.575v) so I came looking thru this thread for possible solutions to the ram issue. As I was reading the thread I came across those other posts of guys having problems with corrupted BIOS.
Is it just me, or does this appear to be a higher than expected number of corrupted BIOS files?

You might be on to something here. I wonder what BIOS version each of them were running.
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11/12/12 at 2:33pm
I'm not sure what BIOS Nebulous was running at the time, but I do know that he now has the latest flashed to BIOS B, as I specifically asked him which BIOS he was running when we were discussing the ram problems.

He has tried numerous times to reflash BIOS A without success using the same approach that nagle3092 described in his Post #451 (this is the same approach that MSI told Neb to use when he contacted them about his troubles).

Of the 4 guys, only nagle3092 has been able to fix it, although I don't know about Atom03, as he has not posted again (does that mean he fixed it, or does it mean he sent his board off for replacement?).
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11/12/12 at 3:27pm
Thanks for your suggestions and help fellas, unfortunately primary bios (A) is toast. I tried numerous times to flash it to see if it can be repaired, but to no avail. I'm forced to run off secondary bios(B). It also has been going nutzos. Running 17.4 (H4) version.

As for the sammies, best I was able to get with them was 2000 @ 10-10-10-28-1T and 1.6v. Ran like that for a short time until i got a BSOD followed by a memory dump. After clearing cmos again I was able to get back to stock settings. Anything over that fails to post. Right now I'm running everything at stock speed. Hoping the new ram I'll be receiving soon will fix part of the issue. Ram modules are Kingston HyperX T1 KHX21C11T1K2/8X. I've read these are well tested on Z77 chipset boards and run their rated speeds of 2133.

Now my other issue is the bios. Nothing left to do but RMA the board. Not even 1 week and I'm already having doubts about my decision. I have never encountered issues like this ever.
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11/12/12 at 4:17pm
I feel the same as the poster above me. If my issues don't sort out I'll be scrapping the board. A lot of people have great stories with it but like you said I have never had issues right out of the box like this. My first board which I exchanged had a corrupted bios as well. It booted into it however it flickered and layered overiitself and was unusable at all. It also showed this A0 error which I am still having now on my exchanged new board. I'm hoping its a ram issue which will be sorted out, I'll be ordering a new set this week to try just need suggestions on which one since I know my current corsair stick run fine in my other PC which is being given to my family.

Hope to get this board running right. Really do. Will be trying TheGoatEaters suggestion this evening.

Does running in slots 1&2 work the same as 2&3. Wondering why the manual says to put dual channel in 2&3 specifically.
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