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post #1 of 15
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*** This thread has been solved. I bought a FX-8350 ***

Hi! This is my first forum thread here, and I'm sorry if the question was already asked.

I currently (as my signature states) own a mildly powerful computer. For who doesn't want to dig up the sig, here are the numbers and pics:


What I figured out is this:
  1. The Phenom II line is discontinued
  2. They WANT us to change socket and buy the FX
  3. The FX series got bad reviews compared to high-end Phenom II, especially in fields where the Phenom was the King. See next point.
  4. I compile programs with 6 cores. Raw power is more important than quad or dual-threading performance. Plus, I support and encourage scale-able multi-threading from 2 two 8 threads. Buying a restricted processor to « better use what's available » isn't my way of doing things.
  5. Intel seems pretty competitive, has better power saving.
  6. the AMD FX CPU has a « working » Turbo Boost, this time. Not like what my Phenom II does (a.k.a NOTHING!)
  7. Intel is cheaper than ever for i7 processors
  8. I have limited budget (I live in Canada and I get around $100 of raw savings per month (95 USD). Computer parts ain't exactly cheap. Sometimes around 30% pricier.
  9. My brain hates looping while my processor is crunching (AKA a slow machine will make me grow a few white hairs.)
  10. Obviously, for posting here at overclock.net, I desire to attain at least 4 GHz.
  11. I just bought the Corsair Hydro Series H80. I don't want to switch to an incompatible socket (FX?) I still have the Intel Brackets in a box, of course.
  12. I want to avoid replacing as much parts as possible, however I am willing to replace my motherboard. (ASUS M4a87TD/USB3)
  13. I plan to buy a GTX670 when it will be more abordable, or SLI another GTX560. I need more VRAM.
  14. My PSU needs a Kick N' shove a beast tourney (650W is limit)
  15. I am studying C++, compiling performance > gaming performance. See point 4

Phew. rolleyes.gif
So, what do you guys suggests me?
Edited by Tarnix - 7/29/13 at 4:33am
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post #2 of 15
I might help you ....

I built mine in June...just for Skyrim - after seeing PC's capabilities....I switched to PS3/Xbox 4 years ago but now...I came back.

It depends of your $$$ but here's what I built and I am playing Skyrim at Ultra on a 24 inch 1920*1080 lcd with all STEP + textures ar 2048 at least + well got like over 85 esp..... all working flawlessly... for 1200$

i5 2500k Quad cores at 3.3Ghz - takes one setting to OC it to STABLE 4.5Ghz..can push it ti 5Ghz (never tried it...) 4.5 is enough
16GB RG.Skill Ripsaw BLUE
Crucial 128GB SSD
Coolermaster 850W PS
Corsair White Mid Tower - awesome
Gigabyte GTX 670 2GB Windforce
Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU cooler.....


Today I bought an Asus Xonar DX soundcard to have true Dolby Digital Live 5.1 in Skyrim....

This built cost me a little over 1200$ but I built it myself - If you are from Canada let me know
post #3 of 15
Should have read your post completely b4..yes you live in Canada...lol

Where exactly?

I ordered parts from an internet wholesalers.....WAY cheaper - free delivery in 2 days across Canada. My built cost at least 2500$ in any Microbytes or else.
post #4 of 15
I don't know much about AMD CPUs anymore (I gave up on AMD after I retired my Athlon XP 2500+), so my suggestions will only involve Intel's chips. Someone else can fill you in on AMD's offerings.

Most compilers have been very well-optimized for multi-threaded compiles. This means that you will get fantastic performance out of the reasonably fast CPU that can run the most simultaneous threads. I would highly suggest that you get a Core i7 processor. Most people will suggest the i7-3770K, since it is current, has an unlocked multiplier, and overclocks very well. It is a quad-core processor, and it supports Intel's HyperThreading technology, which gives it the ability to simultaneously execute up to 8 threads. The Ivy Bridge line also seems to have about 8% better performance per clock than the previous Intel CPU generation does, so the few ten dollar bills extra that they cost over the Sandy Bridge chips (2600K, 2700K) is worth it. That translates to some fast compile times and great all-'round performance.

If you have deep pockets and you want to go all-out, I would suggest that you leave your friends in the dust and get the i7-3930K. It is also a HyperThreading processor, but it has 6 cores and 12MB L3 cache (for 12 simultaneous compile threads). There are only 8 CPUs that score a better PassMark benchmark score, and all but one of them is a Server CPU (there are 8 Intel Xeon CPUs, most of which have 6 or 8 cores, and there is the Core i7-3960X, which is 6-core and 100MHz faster, but costs more than $400 more). This is basically the CPU you buy if you are doing a bunch of compiling, video encoding, or virtualization lab work with but you can't afford to build a true workstation or server machine (those Xeon CPUs are expensive, and they get paired up with motherboards that in many cases require ECC RAM, which is also expensive). I sprung for the 3930K myself, and I couldn't be happier, but it cost me and arm and a leg. If it's out of your budget, then the 3770K is probably the next best choice. There is also a question of whether or not you can actually come up with enough stuff for it to do for you to be able to justify getting it. Personally, I rarely get my 3930K up to 100% CPU usage. That means that I am wasting that CPU's abilities. I was willing to throw money at it, though, because when I do have a real job for it to do, it does it in no time flat. I basically shelled out $1100 for a motherboard, CPU, and RAM to combat a single problem: I have absolutely no patience. My impatience no longer has an opportunity to rear its ugly head when I'm sitting in front of my PC.
post #5 of 15
It really depends on the multithreading of the programs you are using.

Visual Studio does better on the FX-8150 than the i7 2nd gen, but some other programs may not.

Regardless, I think you ought to wait for the AMD FX-8350 release benchmarks before buying anything. (October?)
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post #6 of 15
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Thanks for the replies everyone!
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Originally Posted by N0BOX View Post

Personally, I rarely get my 3930K up to 100% CPU usage.
I do it very often.
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I basically shelled out $1100 for a motherboard, CPU, and RAM to combat a single problem: I have absolutely no patience.
Mhm. I have few patience for tools that doesn't work as intended. :> I totally understand you there.
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Originally Posted by ProudGamer View Post

Should have read your post completely b4..yes you live in Canada...lol
Where exactly?
I ordered parts from an internet wholesalers.....WAY cheaper - free delivery in 2 days across Canada. My built cost at least 2500$ in any Microbytes or else.

I must use paypal, so it leaves me few options. I don't own a credit card and I can't (I have 0 credit).
So, I generally use tigredirect.ca
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

It really depends on the multithreading of the programs you are using.
Quote:
Visual Studio does better on the FX-8150 than the i7 2nd gen, but some other programs may not.
I mainly compile on Linux. Visual Studio's performances alone aren't important if the rest is slower tongue.gif
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Regardless, I think you ought to wait for the AMD FX-8350 release benchmarks before buying anything. (October?)
Yup, I'll watch the benchs. I've been thinking about moving to intel, ayway. as much as I like AMD, Intel is probably more bang, even if it needs more bucks.
Edited by Tarnix - 9/6/12 at 11:40pm
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Wait for October if you're not in a hurry, not because FX-8350 is going to be awesome, but because of price pressure that might drop Intel's prices. See Intel's i3 3rd gen pricing after AMD trinity pricing leaks for what I mean.
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Wait for October if you're not in a hurry, not because FX-8350 is going to be awesome, but because of price pressure that might drop Intel's prices. See Intel's i3 3rd gen pricing after AMD trinity pricing leaks for what I mean.

Of course. now that I know those are coming out, I'll take it easy.
I rarely bought complete high-end in the past, anyway.
My logic is that if I have a good enough job to afford those before they're outdated by the time I get the cash, I probably will not have the time playing much with them, unless I actually work at home (I'd love that O.O)

I just checked the prices;
Top-end for AMD right now is the FX-8150.
What intel offers in similar price range is the Core i5-2500K
AMD offers 8 cores
Intel offers quad cores, Dual-threaded, integrated GPU (that I don't give a damn about unless I fry my GPU, which would be a life saver.)
AMD wants 189$
Intel wants 219$.
Intel has around 13 to 40 % more performance on same GPU/RAM config, according to NCIX/Linus Tech Tips.

I need a new motherboard either way, I am running on AM3 socket.

I also just read a lengthy review of the Phenom II X6 1100T VS the FX-8150, and the phenom still wins. So that would mean that the FX will run the same than my current CPU (1050T), more or less. I will be looking forward reviews of the AMD FX-8350 (Vishera)!

In the waiting (yay for insomnia), I checked motherboard prices.
ASUS Maximus V Formula - 279,99
ASUS Crosshair V Formula - 229,99
They... Look pretty much each other's counterpart, depending on what CPU you have/want.
That means that:
  • if I want to go to intel, for an average 30% performance boost, it will cost me 499,99
  • if I want to stick with AMD, for a predicted 13% average performance boost, it will cost me 419.99
According to my completely bootlegg maths skills and windiws's calculator rolleyes.gif in means that;
for Intel, I pay 16$ per gained percent
for AMD, I pay 32$ per percent gained.

So in my twisted mind, it rings the bells called "Intel will make me pay more, but the gain will be a lot bigger, even based on JUST on the raw benchmarks."
So... Intel to go, until someone actually does a lengthy Vishera VS core i5-2500K comparaison.

It's not like I will have 500$ falling from the sky tomorrow, anyway.
Edited by Tarnix - 9/6/12 at 11:43pm
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I would go with the 3770K and Max V gene, gene for it`s price point and awesome features( supports up to 2800mhz memory) and the Ivy for it`s hyperthreading and lower power consumption. It also kicks ass in nearly every benchmark, if you look for specials you should be able to find mobo for 195-200 and Ivy for 299 which is not far off of what you were thinking. You will be happier down the road with this combo IMHO. Best of luck no matter what you choose. Bon Soir et Bon Chance mes Ami. thumb.gif
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What you need to do is OC what you have..If you can get 4.4 stable..It wouldn't matter if you had Intel or not..
Most likely you're looking @ 4.1-3-ish stable..disable 2 cores..and clock higher.
Your board will handle it wink.gif
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